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Subject: Re: Why this excitement over a new ssdf list

Author: walter irvin

Date: 15:47:18 09/27/99

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On September 27, 1999 at 18:24:01, Rajen Gupta wrote:

>The new SSDF list is out and predictably we see the same old culprits sharing
>the top 5 places, a few pts from each other.Playing on a faster set of hardware
>config has resulted in a massive increase of 90 SSDf pts (i refuse to call them
>ELO pts)over the previous hardware-however a careful analysis of the results
>make a few things quite clear to the discerning-
>
>after the pathetic showing of REBEL against grandmasters-all of whom are toying
>with it-I wouldnt give any of the top progs more than 2475 ELO even if they were
>riding on the currently available ATHLON 800 supersystem.
>
>faster hardware merely accentuates the chess programmes strenghths ie tactical
>ability (which is anyway miles ahead of most humans)against its fellow chess
>programmes and thereby gives a false impression of rating increase.
>
>THE ACHILLES HEEL of every prog is total lack of strategy and positional
>understanding- which can be cruelly exploited by most computer savvy GMs, no
>matter how strong the hardware available-while at the same time being careful
>not to tangle with comps in tactical slugfests.
>
>Most IMs unfortunately do not have this capability- either to fully exploit the
>computers weaknesses nor to carefully avoid falling into a tactical hole-which
>results in impressive performances by comps against IM but abject failure
>against GMs
>
>MOST IMPORTANT a careful analysis will reveal absolutely no improvement in pure
>software engine terms over the last 3 years-I'm sure Genius 3, Rebel 8,CM 5555,
>hiarcs 6 will play as well as Frits 5.32, hiarcs 7, junior5 and nimzo99 if you
>start em off from a variety of fixed positions with both sides to play white and
>black and no opening books-perhaps someone should try this experiment-
>
>rajen gupta

guess we will all just have to wait till the hardware can make programs GM
?????????? but i still think man will always find a way to derail a computer .i
mean if i can find ways GM's will have no problem .



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