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Subject: Re: SSDF is NOT Corrupted vis-a-vis CB/Rebel/etc.

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 11:31:50 09/28/99

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On September 28, 1999 at 13:35:10, Ratko V Tomic wrote:

>>While it may seem an arbitrary measure, they use 100 games as a cutoff because
>>they believe that results based on less games are simply unreliable.
>
>Well, yes, the fewer games the greater uncertainty. My point was: how do you
>distribute the uncertainty fairly or optimally? Do you take one company and
>reduce its uncertainty (by sticking with N>100) and simultaneously greatly widen
>the uncertainties for other companies/authors (since they get N=0 games on 450,
>thus it takes extrapolation from 200 to approximate the correct program rank)?
>Of course not. The overall uncertainty (sum of squares of individual
>uncertainties) is minimized by making all the individual uncertainties equal to
>each other. So mathematically their "optimization" method of uncertainties is
>ridiculous.
>
>And as an "accidental" side-effect of that (at best mathematically inept)
>decision, it just happened that this one company will get the top 4 spots on the
>list, given to it BEFORE the first game ever started. SSDF defends that with all
>the caveats and footnotes, they're not really saying that the top 4 on the list
>are the 4 best ones. What a joke. If an organizer of a car race arranged the
>conditions of the race so that the GM cars get top 4 spots upfront, BEFORE the
>race even started, and then published the race "results," would you buy his
>"explanation" that it was fair race, since if you read all the footnotes to the
>chart, and apply some statistical formulas, fuel chemistry and a bit of
>aerodynamics..., you will realize that the top 4 on the list are not really the
>best 4 cars.
>
>Even the most benevolent/naive interpretation of their decision could only be
>ineptitude in judging the uncertainties and mindless disregard of its
>side-effects.
If you really did understand the math (which you obviously *do not*) then you
would *know* that the top entries are mathematical peers.  They post the
standard deviation as well, and all of the top entries are within one standard
deviation of each other.

>> Accusing them
>> of selling out to corporate interests, without better than (IMO flimsy)
>> circumstantial evidence, is not going to convince me that it is true.
>>
>
>I don't think the evidence of _purposeful_ unfairness is flimsy (only the exact
>mechanism behind it may be unknown). The SSDF decision is such that even a CB
>marketing couldn't have picked a better one. Namely, according to SSDF itself
>(see their web page), CB proposed the very same "uneven hardware" test, with
>only the CB program running on the fast hardware, in return for providing that
>hardware free of charge. So, the CB was effectively offering a bribe to obtain
>an unfair edge against the competition. The SSDF on their web page proudly
>explains how they refused this "help." So SSDF acknowledges it was perfectly
>aware (of the obvious fact) that running other companies' products on slower
>hardware gives an unfair edge to CB. Yet, in this cycle they did exactly that.
>Why?
I suspect that they will also run the other products on the fast hardware.  The
CB deal would have forbidden them from doing so.

>At best (the most benevolent view) one could say that through their ineptitude
>and naivete they allowed themselves to be slyly manipulated by CB (the SSDF site
>shows some evidence of this manipulation, where CB manages to make somehow SSDF
>use the proprietary CB autoplayer, in the face of protests from other
>compainies/authors). Since SSDF folks read this board, they're welcome to
>explain it their way.
What is the alternative to the CB autoplayer?




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