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Subject: Re: Take all program results at 40/2 vs Grandmasters you get 2500+ easily

Author: Lanny DiBartolomeo

Date: 11:22:41 10/03/99

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On October 03, 1999 at 05:19:50, odell hall wrote:

>On October 02, 1999 at 19:48:22, Peter Kappler wrote:
>
>>On October 02, 1999 at 18:39:12, odell hall wrote:
>>
>>>Hi
>>>
>>>
>>>  If you add up the Results of all the 40/2 games played in the last year by the
>>>top programs, including the rebel 10 results, and the games at the wcc99 as well
>>>as the shredder, Karpov game, you get +2500 easily. Grandmaster strength without
>>>a doubt, any other conclusions is simply ignoring evidence right in front of
>>>your eyes. But if you want to just take rebel's results so far, you get the same
>>>thing over 2500!  All the critics are silenced!!
>>
>>
>>Odell,
>>
>>I think I see a pattern.
>>
>>Every time Rebel loses, you complain that the result can't be taken seriously
>>because the GM could have been cheating.
>>
>>Now that Rebel has finally won a game, you're waving your flag proudly,
>>pronouncing that Rebel is obviously GM strength.
>>
>>It's hard to take you seriously...
>>
>>--Peter
>
>
>
>I expected such a side remark from someone!!!!  But I suggest you read my Post
>carefully before you dismiss what I say.  First of All I said, that if you take
>the Results of ALL (not just rebel) the programs you easily get grandmaster
>strength. So my statements have been consistent I have never wavered for a
>moment, My beef from the start was that everyone was taking just the results of
>rebel and excluding the results of the other programs as if they don't exist. In
>my opionion this is rediculous, and is what should not be taken seriously.  If
>you take the results of all the programs then we do have enough games. After all
>the original question was not whatever or not Rebel was a grandmaster, but
>whatever programs are grandmasters. So if you can't take the 2570+  results of
>the combined performance of all the programs seriously that's your problem Mr.
>not mine. What's silly about the whole thing is you would think a programmer
>such as yourself would want to see  a grandmaster performance, you act as if you
>want rebel to fail or something. Every comment I make in the positive, here you
>come with a negative. As to your comments about rebel losing, Everyone here
>including Dr. Hyatt comments that the game against hoffman  should not be
>counted, so I have no idea what your talking about, maybe you just have an axe
>to grind with me??? For god knows what reason???
Odell,
 I know you have been saying total of comp games and you are correct so far
   I dont really want the comps to be at GM strength yet But it seems like they
are.
    I think after a 200 standard games and if the comps are still holding above
2500 then what can anyone say??



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