Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 15:23:59 10/03/99
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On October 03, 1999 at 18:11:18, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On October 03, 1999 at 16:55:40, Mark Young wrote: > >>On October 03, 1999 at 15:23:15, Lawrence S. Tamarkin wrote: >> >>>There is no doubt in my mind that the best commercial programs are GM strength, >>>but as Seven of Nine often says in Star Trek Voyager, "That is irrelavent". >>> >>>In order for a chess program to become a GM, it must play in norm qualification >>>tournaments against Human GM's. That won't happen unless Fide suddenly declars >>>that the programs can be invited to these events, and challenge for these title >>>& norms like any human. I don't think this would be fair to the Human >>>professional chess player's who have to eat and sleep, and often base their >>>tournament chances against other Human player's that they have studied to play, >>>long & hard. >>> >>>On the other hand, If a large company like Mircrosoft or Intel (or you name it), >>>was sponsoring the event from the beginning, and inviting a group of chess >>>programs and humans to fight for these norms and titles, then we could soon have >>>plenty of computer Fide Master's, IM's & GM's. In a way, the AEGON tournament >>>was the last such event of this type, but with out the Fide sanctioned status. >>>So of course the question arises - How imported is Fide to us for the credence >>>we give our human players & chess programs? >> >>I could care less what Fide does, I also do not think Fide will ever give a >>program a chance to earn a GM norm. A title by Fide is not important, what is, >>is the programs rating to answer the question. If a program can play GM's and >>hold a rating over 2500+ after many game, that is all that is needed IMO. >> >>> >>>Larry - the chess software addict! > > > >Actually, FIDE will allow this to happen, unless they have rescinded a decision >reached several years ago. The only problem is that the 'fee' to become a >computer member of FIDE was _enormous_ as FIDE thought that all the commercial >programmers were wealthy, and that the non-commercial programs were sponsored >by companies with deep pockets (Cray Blitz for example, or Deep Blue/IBM). They >passed a resolution several years ago, but the fee was (IIRC) somewhere in the >$10,000-$30,000 range... As a result, no computer has been willing to pay such >a rediculous fee... This is true. A few years ago I tried to get an official USCF rating for Rebel8. The answer was a yes but I had to pay $15,000 also. Needless to say how the story ended. Ed
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