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Subject: Re: This thing about computer GM norms...

Author: Eugene Nalimov

Date: 18:36:02 10/03/99

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I thought that even computer FIDE member could not play in the tournament if
it's marked as (NC); and majority of tournaments are marked so.

Eugene

On October 03, 1999 at 18:11:18, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On October 03, 1999 at 16:55:40, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>On October 03, 1999 at 15:23:15, Lawrence S. Tamarkin wrote:
>>
>>>There is no doubt in my mind that the best commercial programs are GM strength,
>>>but as Seven of Nine often says in Star Trek Voyager, "That is irrelavent".
>>>
>>>In order for a chess program to become a GM, it must play in norm qualification
>>>tournaments against Human GM's.  That won't happen unless Fide suddenly declars
>>>that the programs can be invited to these events, and challenge for these title
>>>& norms like any human.  I don't think this would be fair to the Human
>>>professional chess player's who have to eat and sleep, and often base their
>>>tournament chances against other Human player's that they have studied to play,
>>>long & hard.
>>>
>>>On the other hand, If a large company like Mircrosoft or Intel (or you name it),
>>>was sponsoring the event from the beginning, and inviting a group of chess
>>>programs and humans to fight for these norms and titles, then we could soon have
>>>plenty of computer Fide Master's, IM's & GM's.  In a way, the AEGON tournament
>>>was the last such event of this type, but with out the Fide sanctioned status.
>>>So of course the question arises - How imported is Fide to us for the credence
>>>we give our human players & chess programs?
>>
>>I could care less what Fide does, I also do not think Fide will ever give a
>>program a chance to earn a GM norm. A title by Fide is not important, what is,
>>is the programs rating to answer the question. If a program can play GM's and
>>hold a rating over 2500+ after many game, that is all that is needed IMO.
>>
>>>
>>>Larry - the chess software addict!
>
>
>
>Actually, FIDE will allow this to happen, unless they have rescinded a decision
>reached several years ago.  The only problem is that the 'fee' to become a
>computer member of FIDE was _enormous_ as FIDE thought that all the commercial
>programmers were wealthy, and that the non-commercial programs were sponsored
>by companies with deep pockets (Cray Blitz for example, or Deep Blue/IBM).  They
>passed a resolution several years ago, but the fee was (IIRC) somewhere in the
>$10,000-$30,000 range...  As a result, no computer has been willing to pay such
>a rediculous fee...



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