Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 19:27:45 10/03/99
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On October 03, 1999 at 18:23:59, Ed Schröder wrote: >On October 03, 1999 at 18:11:18, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On October 03, 1999 at 16:55:40, Mark Young wrote: >> >>>On October 03, 1999 at 15:23:15, Lawrence S. Tamarkin wrote: >>> >>>>There is no doubt in my mind that the best commercial programs are GM strength, >>>>but as Seven of Nine often says in Star Trek Voyager, "That is irrelavent". >>>> >>>>In order for a chess program to become a GM, it must play in norm qualification >>>>tournaments against Human GM's. That won't happen unless Fide suddenly declars >>>>that the programs can be invited to these events, and challenge for these title >>>>& norms like any human. I don't think this would be fair to the Human >>>>professional chess player's who have to eat and sleep, and often base their >>>>tournament chances against other Human player's that they have studied to play, >>>>long & hard. >>>> >>>>On the other hand, If a large company like Mircrosoft or Intel (or you name it), >>>>was sponsoring the event from the beginning, and inviting a group of chess >>>>programs and humans to fight for these norms and titles, then we could soon have >>>>plenty of computer Fide Master's, IM's & GM's. In a way, the AEGON tournament >>>>was the last such event of this type, but with out the Fide sanctioned status. >>>>So of course the question arises - How imported is Fide to us for the credence >>>>we give our human players & chess programs? >>> >>>I could care less what Fide does, I also do not think Fide will ever give a >>>program a chance to earn a GM norm. A title by Fide is not important, what is, >>>is the programs rating to answer the question. If a program can play GM's and >>>hold a rating over 2500+ after many game, that is all that is needed IMO. >>> >>>> >>>>Larry - the chess software addict! >> >> >> >>Actually, FIDE will allow this to happen, unless they have rescinded a decision >>reached several years ago. The only problem is that the 'fee' to become a >>computer member of FIDE was _enormous_ as FIDE thought that all the commercial >>programmers were wealthy, and that the non-commercial programs were sponsored >>by companies with deep pockets (Cray Blitz for example, or Deep Blue/IBM). They >>passed a resolution several years ago, but the fee was (IIRC) somewhere in the >>$10,000-$30,000 range... As a result, no computer has been willing to pay such >>a rediculous fee... > >This is true. A few years ago I tried to get an official USCF rating for >Rebel8. The answer was a yes but I had to pay $15,000 also. Needless to >say how the story ended. > >Ed That was another story... the now infamous CRA crap that USCF instituted.. specifically to pick _your_ pocket (directed to Ed or any other commercial programmer). You can join USCF with no big fee, but the program must be a program that is non-commercial/experimental. And that only gets you a magazine every month... you _still_ have to find tournaments that are (NC) and I have had little luck doing that...
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