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Subject: Re: Forfietures do NOT count against a rating!!! In Fide or USCF

Author: Dave Gomboc

Date: 04:58:05 10/05/99

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On October 05, 1999 at 01:06:23, Charles Unruh wrote:

>On October 05, 1999 at 00:44:03, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>
>>On October 04, 1999 at 18:22:56, Charles Unruh wrote:
>>
>>>On October 04, 1999 at 14:56:23, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 03, 1999 at 22:06:12, Charles Unruh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>About dying at the chess table, I recall a true story about a GM who had a
>>>>>>totally lost game against another GM, but refused to resign, saying that you
>>>>>>never know what might happen. The game was adjourned, and guess what: the
>>>>>>winning GM died of a heart attack that night, failed to show up in the morning
>>>>>>to finish the game, and forfeited.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Will the game be ignored if I loose ?
>>>>>>>>The same applies to computers. If the hardware isn't stable ... bad luck.
>>>>>
>>>>>If your opponent does not show up to play, you get a point in the tourney but
>>>>>you get no rating adjustment.  If your opponent dies you get no rating points
>>>>>because it's a forfieture.  It's no different than if your opponent was shot in
>>>>>the back and actually lived while at the board.  You would not get rating
>>>>>points.  Why?  because unfair and anomylous circumstances completely beyond the
>>>>>players control such as immediare death constitute an unfair and anomylous
>>>>>playing condition.  Which are not counted toward ratings.
>>>>
>>>>At least in Canada, this is incorrect.  If your opponent does not show up to
>>>>play, you get the point in the tourney AND rating points for beating them.
>>>
>>>That's very strange and unusual.  In the USCF there is definitely never any
>>>rating points given for games not actually played.  This goes the same for FIDE
>>>as well.  If i were a canadian i would definitely protest such a ruling.  Heck i
>>>guess if a person pre-entered a tourney, they'd be out a ton of rating points if
>>>they didn't show up, which seems bogus to me.
>>
>>What can I say?  It's not strange and unusual to me,
>
>Well i can understand that, but it still seems like that rule in your
>particullar chess federation should be changed because others don't do that.
>The rating system is designed to at least give a rough measure of strength, and
>rating a game that has no moves played assists that purpose in no way.

This isn't true.  The system is self-consistent, it reflects that the person
doesn't always show up!  Just like the rating system takes into account how
often you play when you're sleepy (I do this all the time!) or have a cold or
whatever.

Dave



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