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Subject: Re: Quiescent v Normal Node Ratio

Author: Steve Maughan

Date: 10:34:59 10/06/99

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Bas

>
>First: are you sure you don't doublecount nodes?

I'm not double counting.

>If you put Nodes++ on top of ab and Qnodes++ on top of qsearch, then you
>doublecount the depth = 0 nodes. Because you count em in the normal search *and*
>the qsearch. Therefore, before you go into the qsearch do a qnodes--.
>
>Counted that way qnodes should be a smal fraction of total nodes. It depends
>also on the position. And according to my experience the use of nullmove worsens
>that rate, because normal nodes get pruned at the cost of extra qsearches.
>Without null I see qrates of 10-20% and *with* nullmove it is more like 50%.

I can't see how the ratio of QNodes:NormalNodes can go below 1:1 (eg 10-20%) as
each NormalNode must give rise to at least one QNode.  Where am I going wrong?

>In any case 5:1 is certainly not what it should be, at least not if you do a
>simple qsearch without checks etc. A way to improve that rate is skipping losing
>captures. Also if there are serious errors in movesorting the qrate can go way
>up.

I'm only doing good captures in the QSearch - hmmm, I'll have another play
around

Thanks anyway!!


>
>Regards,
>Bas Hamstra.



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