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Subject: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well

Author: Manuel Rodriguez Blanco

Date: 18:25:30 10/11/99


I am 1,000,000,000,000 % sure that IBM or Feng-Hsiung Hsu will not acept the
match offer of Rebel commpany, because they always demostrated that they victory
over one altered Kasparov was unexpected, they know perfectely that his program
and hardware (Deep Blue) get undeserved succes, so they are VERY AFRAID of show
DB again, that is the main reason that explain they big selfishness whe they
decide let the entire word without one more game of DB.

Here information taken from the Rebel Home Page:

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Rebel Company was surprised to read the below statement of Feng-Hsiung Hsu and
Murray Campbell authors of Deep Blue in the German Magazine Computer Schach und
Spiele (15,000 readers, +/- 5000 subscriptions)

In CSS 4/99 (p. 62) we reported, that the program Rebel played some inofficial
blitz games versus Deep Blue Junior via the Internet during the computer world
championship in Paderborn and "out-played the program, that calculates up to
20,000,000 positions per second, with 3:0" (see Rebel-Homepage). After that we
received the following letter from the Deep Blue authors:

Feng-Hsiung Hsu and Murray Campbell, USA:

The Deep Blue version, Rebel played in Paderborn, is a special demo version
build by IBM, to play hundred of customers in parallel through the Internet.

The program runs on a single chip, a thinking time of one second per move
(including initialization and independently of the thinking time, set by the
user interface), without permanent brain and using a primitive evaluation
function.

The search depth is thereby limited to 5-6 plies, the extentions in the
quiescence search is almost completely disabled. With this limitations, the
program should loose to every 486 processor based program.

The ICCA has asked permission, to demonstrate Deep Blue Junior in Paderborn. We
have made it explicitly clear, that it isn't allowed to play the program against
other programs. Either ICCA has violated our conditions of usage, or Ed Schröder
has missued this opportunity at will, to make false advertisement for his
program.

Neither we have the time nor the energy, to react at Schröder's statement.



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Rebel Company about the accusations:


We were not aware of any restriction that playing against Deep Blue Junior was
forbidden. Deep Blue Junior was there and we took the opportunity to find out
more about this program. The result was posted as NEWS no more no less and we
don't have (nor had) any intention to include Rebel's victory over Deep Blue
Junior in our advertisements.


We can't confirm the "one second" time control of Deep Blue Junior. Deep Blue
Junior indeed played on a "one second" time control using its default time
control but raising the time control caused Deep Blue Junior to think a lot
longer (up to 10-15 seconds).


We consider it as a pity that all the playing strength restrictions weren't
listed in the documentation that came with the program as we then certainly
would not have touched the machine. The screen clearly showed "Deep Blue Junior"
and made reference to the Kasparov - Deep Blue events.


Several key people of the ICCA have witnessed these games so we really don't
understand the criticism. If the ICCA was told that no computer was allowed to
play Deep Blue Junior then they should have told us so.


We like to emphasize that the German magazine Computer Schach und Spiele is
known for its anti Rebel style and we feel truly sorry that respected people
like Feng-Hsiung Hsu and Murray Campbell are now being victims as part of an
ongoing anti Rebel campaign in Germany. The Computer Schach und Spiele people
were present almost the whole WCC event and could have asked to avoid this kind
of miss-information. They did not.


Rebel Company offers the Deep Blue team the opportunity to set things straight.
We invite them to play a 6-game match on ICC in the "Monthly GM Challenge"
style.

Ed Schröder
Author of Rebel


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So IBM TEAN you all have an incorret behavior and more, IBM TEAN you all leave
us (the word) without a single and sincere explication of your behavior, do you
think you are very big for us? do you think you have taken God for his ear
come on guys leave that cloud

Manuel



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