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Subject: Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well

Author: Bruce Moreland

Date: 19:17:23 10/11/99

On October 11, 1999 at 21:25:30, Manuel Rodriguez Blanco wrote:

>I am 1,000,000,000,000 % sure that IBM or Feng-Hsiung Hsu will not acept the
>match offer of Rebel commpany, because they always demostrated that they victory
>over one altered Kasparov was unexpected, they know perfectely that his program
>and hardware (Deep Blue) get undeserved succes, so they are VERY AFRAID of show
>DB again, that is the main reason that explain they big selfishness whe they
>decide let the entire word without one more game of DB.

I don't think that this corresponds with reality.

IBM would gain nothing by reassembling that thing and playing against a micro.
If they won, well, they were supposed to win.  If they drew, they'd look stupid.
 If they lost, they'd look really stupid.  A loss or draw would destroy all of
the positive public perception that was the result of their match with Kasparov,
and even a win would dampen some of it, because the public might believe that
another computer *could* be as good, if it is even remotely interesting to have
DB play against it.

On the other hand, Ed would gain quite a bit any of these outcomes.

So what this means is that IBM would have to be induced to take part in such a
match.  The inducement would have to be huge, I bet Ed could offer IBM a million
dollars and they wouldn't do it.

Everything I have heard indicates that *they* think they would do great against
any micro, so I don't think it is a matter of fear, I think it is a matter of
having nothing to gain and something significant to lose.

There is no rational reason to play against a micro, setting yourself up as the
bad guy in a David versus Goliath contest, when you've already beaten the human
world champion at standard time controls.

bruce

Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Micheal Cummings 22:55:22 10/11/99
- Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Robert Hyatt 06:18:16 10/12/99
  - Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Micheal Cummings 06:51:55 10/12/99
    - Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Robert Hyatt 10:25:53 10/12/99
- Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Bruce Moreland 00:09:40 10/12/99
  - Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well blass uri 16:25:51 10/12/99
    - Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Robert Hyatt 22:59:23 10/12/99
      - Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Lanny DiBartolomeo 17:34:25 10/13/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Robert Hyatt 19:25:05 10/13/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Lanny DiBartolomeo 14:35:55 10/14/99
  - Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well odell hall 11:58:21 10/12/99
    - Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Robert Hyatt 15:09:17 10/12/99
      - Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Ratko V Tomic 18:07:15 10/12/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Robert Hyatt 23:03:10 10/12/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Dann Corbit 10:40:34 10/13/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Ratko V Tomic 11:30:30 10/13/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Dann Corbit 13:50:16 10/13/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Ratko V Tomic 16:19:53 10/13/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well KarinsDad 09:44:21 10/14/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Ratko V Tomic 18:27:28 10/14/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well KarinsDad 19:42:38 10/14/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Ratko V Tomic 22:24:48 10/14/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well KarinsDad 08:26:42 10/15/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Ratko V Tomic 09:38:14 10/15/99
        
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        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Dave Gomboc 23:12:44 10/14/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Ratko V Tomic 05:41:44 10/15/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Jeremiah Penery 06:47:42 10/15/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Ratko V Tomic 13:14:06 10/15/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well blass uri 15:01:26 10/15/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Robert Hyatt 08:41:06 10/15/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Ratko V Tomic 16:11:48 10/15/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Robert Hyatt 20:53:31 10/15/99
        
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        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Robert Hyatt 07:52:04 10/16/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Ratko V Tomic 10:41:17 10/16/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Robert Hyatt 20:09:23 10/16/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Jeremiah Penery 05:01:59 10/16/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Ratko V Tomic 07:56:08 10/16/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Jeremiah Penery 13:40:17 10/16/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Ratko V Tomic 17:24:16 10/16/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Jeremiah Penery 17:54:24 10/16/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Ratko V Tomic 23:50:14 10/16/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Jeremiah Penery 08:25:49 10/17/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Ratko V Tomic 09:48:54 10/17/99
        
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        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Ratko V Tomic 13:45:43 10/17/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Robert Hyatt 21:13:03 10/17/99
        
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        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Robert Hyatt 12:15:24 10/18/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Dan Newman 01:21:02 10/16/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Ratko V Tomic 01:40:54 10/16/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Dan Newman 11:40:53 10/16/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Ratko V Tomic 12:36:06 10/16/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Robert Hyatt 07:34:33 10/17/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Ratko V Tomic 10:08:05 10/17/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Robert Hyatt 18:00:19 10/17/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Jeremiah Penery 15:06:07 10/15/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Ratko V Tomic 06:00:31 10/15/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well odell hall 18:46:05 10/13/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Ratko V Tomic 20:40:28 10/13/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Jeremiah Penery 17:05:39 10/13/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Ratko V Tomic 19:00:32 10/13/99
        
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        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Ratko V Tomic 00:56:14 10/14/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Robert Hyatt 07:10:51 10/14/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Ratko V Tomic 17:07:08 10/14/99
        
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        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Jeremiah Penery 06:36:32 10/15/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Robert Hyatt 08:46:56 10/15/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Robert Hyatt 18:11:05 10/14/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well James B. Shearer 17:18:22 10/14/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Ratko V Tomic 00:30:27 10/17/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well blass uri 10:56:54 10/14/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Robert Hyatt 14:41:08 10/14/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well blass uri 20:32:26 10/14/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Robert Hyatt 22:03:16 10/14/99
        
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        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Dave Gomboc 03:48:21 10/14/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Ratko V Tomic 10:09:03 10/14/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Robert Hyatt 19:30:40 10/13/99
        
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        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Will Singleton 21:01:01 10/12/99
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        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Robert Hyatt 23:07:02 10/12/99
    - Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Bruce Moreland 14:47:12 10/12/99
      - Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Howard Exner 16:17:19 10/12/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Bruce Moreland 18:25:31 10/12/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Howard Exner 23:28:42 10/12/99
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        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Robert Hyatt 23:10:34 10/12/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Manuel Rodriguez Blanco 21:44:31 10/12/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Dave Gomboc 23:13:11 10/12/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Jeremiah Penery 09:22:09 10/13/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well Manuel Rodriguez Blanco 16:31:36 10/13/99
        
        Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well KarinsDad 09:50:40 10/13/99

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