Author: Dave Gomboc
Date: 16:24:31 10/12/99
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On October 12, 1999 at 18:51:25, Amir Ban wrote: >On October 11, 1999 at 21:25:30, Manuel Rodriguez Blanco wrote: >> > >snip > >>Rebel Company about the accusations: >> >> >>We were not aware of any restriction that playing against Deep Blue Junior was >>forbidden. Deep Blue Junior was there and we took the opportunity to find out >>more about this program. The result was posted as NEWS no more no less and we >>don't have (nor had) any intention to include Rebel's victory over Deep Blue >>Junior in our advertisements. >> >> >>We can't confirm the "one second" time control of Deep Blue Junior. Deep Blue >>Junior indeed played on a "one second" time control using its default time >>control but raising the time control caused Deep Blue Junior to think a lot >>longer (up to 10-15 seconds). >> > >This point is important, and I didn't see it discussed. If so, Hsu is >misinformed about what features were made available to users of DBjr, and Rebel >played a version that was much stronger than he thought. I don't remember if >they played equal time controls, but if they did, it may well be that the >contest was fair or close to fair (we need to assume that the DBjr server was >not overloaded, which to me seems likely, because it was hardly used intensively >at the stations I saw in Paderborn). The run-on sentence "The program runs on a single chip, [has] a thinking time of one second per move (including initialization and independently of the thinking time set by the user interface), without permanent brain and using a primitive evaluation function." seems to discuss this point. (It also makes me wonder if the statement was translated into German for the magazine, then back into English. :-) >I wouldn't consider Rebel beating DBjr a surprise. Even assuming full-DB to be >the equal of Kasparov (doubtful), DBjr should be much weaker, and not more than >Rebel. Besides, isn't Rebel's record against rated players better than DBjr's ? >I don't know the statistics, but I got the impression that DBjr's record is not >too good. FWIW, I remember an article in Chess Life where GM Soltis annotated a game that he won over DBjr. IIRC, he said that in the several months it had been touring, only 2 other people had won a game. (Time control was G/15.) I did say FWIW, but I'll grant that it's probably not worth much. >I think it's pretty low to say or imply that Ed played DBjr for cheap publicity. >Obviously he did that out of curiosity. It would make better business sense to >concentrate on the WCCC rather than play improvised games in the hall, but >people who are curious do what is intersting, not important. It's clear from Hsu >& Campbell's letter and the clarification from Friedel that they are not curious >in the least, and that they don't give a damn about their peers respect. That's >a good enough reason not to respect them, and I don't. > >Amir I agree re: curiosity. I don't agree re: peers. Possibly your idea of who their peers are is different than mine. Dave
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