Author: Dave Gomboc
Date: 23:26:32 10/12/99
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On October 13, 1999 at 01:41:18, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On October 12, 1999 at 20:22:50, Ed Schröder wrote: > >>On October 12, 1999 at 18:05:19, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On October 12, 1999 at 14:39:25, odell hall wrote: >>> >>>>On October 12, 1999 at 13:37:56, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On October 12, 1999 at 11:57:36, Alberto Rezza wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On October 12, 1999 at 09:13:00, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>>how would it make them "smaller" to correct a statement that was made in >>>>>>>error by someone else? The web-based DB Junior is nothing like the real >>>>>>>DB Junior. I think they were perfectly within proper bounds to make that >>>>>>>clear... >>>>>> >>>>>>As Dan said, >>>>>>>If they will not play again they should keep quiet. >>>>>> >>>>>>And what is it that they said? They said: >>>>>>>(..) or Ed Schröder has misused this opportunity at will, to make false >advertisement for his program. >>>>>> >>>>>>This is not very far from calling Ed a liar. And it does make them very, very >>>>>>much smaller. All this after showing something that had "DBJ" written on it, >>>>>>then when it loses saying that it was not the real DBJ. >>>>>> >>>>>>It seems very likely that there were no falsities in the whole story, only >>>>>>misunderstandings. But these misunderstanding are caused by the DB team and >>>>>>their whole attitude of secrecy. This would not happen if they were more open >>>>>>about DB, and if they let it play - or at least if, whey they show a DB box, >>>>>>they were kind enough to say what it is and what it is not. >>>>> >>>>>I disagree there. Initially, it was a misunderstanding. I corrected that >>>>>right here in CCC. To continue to claim that they beat "Deep Blue Junior" >>>>>_after_ having it explained was a bad idea. Because Hsu knows what goes on >>>>>here. He saw the original post, he saw my response, and then he saw no effort >>>>>to retract the claim. >>>>> >>>>>It should have been retracted, IMHO. It was wrong. totally wrong. And after >>>>>having it pointed out, what reason would there be to keep making it? >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Ed certainly cannot be blamed. The DB team should be ashamed of what they said. >>>>>> >>>>>>Alberto >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Baloney. They should be ashamed for correcting an obviously incorrect >>>>>statement, one that had been fully explained by me already? Someone calls >>>>>you "nothing but a waterboy for the local college football team..." I come >>>>>along and say "Not true, I happen to know that he is a programmer for ... >>>>>company" and the waterboy claim isn't retracted. Would _you_ respond to set >>>>>the record straight, or just 'let it stand"??? >>>>> >>>>>I'd respond, were it me. Hsu did... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Let me ask this Dr. Hyatt ? Is there a Reason why Ed Schroeder Should Take your >>>>word for it that the Deepblue he played at paderborn Was not the "real Deepblue" >>>>? Are you a member of the Deepblue Team? Or what is your special relationship To >>>>Deepblue? If I was Ed, I would want to hear this news from Someone that I Knew >>>>was a representative of Deepblue and therefore had inside information about it. >>> >>> >>>Sure there is a good reason. I _specifically_ said I had asked Hsu what the >>>"deep blue junior thing" at the WCCC really was. And I reported _exactly_ >>>what Hsu responded to me with as an answer. >>> >>>I doubt you can get more 'inside' than that... especially when I _said_ that >>>it had come from Hsu. I'm not generally known to make up things. My "special >>>relationship" (if it can be called that) is that I ask them questions, sometimes >>>they choose to answer. Sometimes they don't. >>> >>>Any more questions? >> >>This is not fair to Oden. I told you myself that I don't wanted information >>from a second source. Such informations in cases like this ought to come from >>the real source. >> >>Ed > > >You could have emailed directly and asked. This info _did_ come from the >real source, as is now completely obvious I would hope. Because _I_ did >email him to ask about the thing in paderborn. And I promptly reported >exactly what he replied as soon as I had time. > >The DB guys are not going to post here. They realize that they would >spend all their time in a flame-fest, because they have seen it happen >in r.g.c.c too many times. Schaeffer was a good case in point. Since Totally. I asked Jonathan if he would consider being active on CCC once, and he looked at me like I was nuts. Hmm... that was a while ago. I might consider asking him again in a year or so. :-) Dave >they won't post here, and you don't want to take direct information relayed >through a third party (me), it seems there is no way around this impasse.
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