Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 19:25:05 10/13/99
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On October 13, 1999 at 20:34:25, Lanny DiBartolomeo wrote: >On October 13, 1999 at 01:59:23, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On October 12, 1999 at 19:25:51, blass uri wrote: >> >>>On October 12, 1999 at 03:09:40, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>> >>>>On October 12, 1999 at 01:55:22, Micheal Cummings wrote: >>>> >>>>>They have nothing to gain or lose now anyway. DB had not been around for quite a >>>>>long time, programs have advanced as too technology. I would be interested in >>>>>seeing Shredder and your program ferret play DB using WCCC99 hardware. >>>> >>>>They totally have stuff to lose. People still remember that match. If you were >>>>to pick some random person off the street, there is a good chance that they will >>>>"know" that A) DB is the best chess entity on the planet, B)IBM built the thing. >>> >>>I do not think they have much to lose if they play with DB JR that is not Deeper >>>blue(if DB JR is really better than the commercial programs) because of the >>>following reasons: >>> >>>1)If they lose one game they always can say that it is only DB JR and not Deep >>>blue. >>> >>>2)It is not clear to the public if DB JR(not deeper blue) is really better than >>>the commercial programs so if they can prove a clear superiority(winning only >>>16:4 in a match of 20 games) people will be more impressed by their results. >>> >>>Uri >> >> >>Your view of the world is _much_ too small. The people that care whether DB Jr >>can beat a commercial program can be counted on the fingers and toes of a few >>dozen people. The number of people that know that DB beat Kasparov, something >>no other computer has _ever_ done, would require maybe 100,000,000 people, using >>fingers and toes to count them all. >> > >I thought they were making a chess card with chips like DB jr? If they are >wouldnt we be the ones purchasing this product? If so I would like to see it >crush the other programs. So it seems like they would want to prove to future >buyers its playing strength. Disreguard if i'm talking apples/Oranges here :)) >and have my chips confused. > you have organizations confused. :) IBM isn't doing the chess chip project. That is something Hsu has been talking about doing on his own. IBM is much more interested in the opinions of over 100 million people that are aware of the DB vs Kasparov victory than they are interested in the couple of thousand of people here following computer chess carefully. That was the issue I was pointing out... it is about advertising and name-brand recognition... at the marketing level in IBM anyway. >>_those_ are the people IBM is interested in, as _those_ are the people that will >>buy their hardware. They don't care squat about the few of us chess types that >>are interested in this. We won't buy enough of their equipment to pay for one >>newspaper ad. DB produced tens of millions of dollars of free advertisement. >> >>That didn't go lost on the bookkeepers... They aren't about to jeopardize that >>kind of publicity now. Prior to beating Kasparov there was a lot of pressure to >>keep DT/DB visible, as IBM even sponsored the last two ACM events. But now they >>have the reputation and the only possible way to go is down, in public opinion.
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