Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 07:18:52 10/14/99
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On October 14, 1999 at 00:02:43, blass uri wrote: >On October 13, 1999 at 21:36:54, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On October 13, 1999 at 19:50:41, Dave Gomboc wrote: >> >>>On October 13, 1999 at 12:18:57, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On October 13, 1999 at 03:34:11, Shep wrote: >>>> >>>>>On October 12, 1999 at 13:59:47, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>this case 7.5 minutes. In this case I saw instead that Hiarcs, with 1 or 2 >>>>>>>minutes left after move 52, used all its time, with the word TIME appearing on >>>>>>>its clock. I had never seen this before either. In this 8th game it was lost >>>>>>>anyway, but Hiarcs lost on time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Enrique >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Regards, >>>>>>>>Terry >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Very human-like, this time management! :) >>>>> >>>>>I have seen this often, especially in Hiarcs 6. At move 32, its eval drops from >>>>>+0.1 to -1.5 and it suddenly uses like 30 minutes for that move, so that only 5 >>>>>minutes remain for the last 8 moves. In other words, Hiarcs is the only program >>>>>that really gets into time trouble like a human. >>>>> >>>>>--- >>>>>Shep >>>> >>>> >>>>This still sounds like a _serious_ "bug" to me. -1.5 is not absolutely losing >>>>by any measure. But 5 minutes for 8 moves probably is losing against a good >>>>opponent with way more time. >>>> >>>>A fine line exists between using just enough time to save yourself, and using >>>>too much time and basically leaving the game resignable. >>> >>>A drop from 0.1 to -1.5 is an excellent time to start panicking. >>> >>>Dave >> >> >> >>Yes... but with caution. -1.5 isn't necessarily losing. Time == 0 is >>absolutely losing. > >Time==0 is absolutely losing but 5 minutes for 8 moves at tournament time >control is not close to be absolutely losing. > >If I suppose the opponent has 24 minutes for 8 moves then this case is better >than 24/5 hardware advantage for 8 moves because of the permanent brain and even >24/5 hardware advantage for the all game and not only for 8 moves is not >absolutely losing. > >Uri > >Uri Continue the math. 5:1 time odds is about 200 Elo difference. Which means a 3 of 4 chance of losing. That is nearly absolute. It is _much_ worse than the odds of losing a game from a pawn down.
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