Author: blass uri
Date: 08:16:15 10/14/99
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On October 14, 1999 at 10:18:52, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On October 14, 1999 at 00:02:43, blass uri wrote: > >>On October 13, 1999 at 21:36:54, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On October 13, 1999 at 19:50:41, Dave Gomboc wrote: >>> >>>>On October 13, 1999 at 12:18:57, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On October 13, 1999 at 03:34:11, Shep wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On October 12, 1999 at 13:59:47, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>this case 7.5 minutes. In this case I saw instead that Hiarcs, with 1 or 2 >>>>>>>>minutes left after move 52, used all its time, with the word TIME appearing on >>>>>>>>its clock. I had never seen this before either. In this 8th game it was lost >>>>>>>>anyway, but Hiarcs lost on time. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Enrique >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Regards, >>>>>>>>>Terry >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Very human-like, this time management! :) >>>>>> >>>>>>I have seen this often, especially in Hiarcs 6. At move 32, its eval drops from >>>>>>+0.1 to -1.5 and it suddenly uses like 30 minutes for that move, so that only 5 >>>>>>minutes remain for the last 8 moves. In other words, Hiarcs is the only program >>>>>>that really gets into time trouble like a human. >>>>>> >>>>>>--- >>>>>>Shep >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>This still sounds like a _serious_ "bug" to me. -1.5 is not absolutely losing >>>>>by any measure. But 5 minutes for 8 moves probably is losing against a good >>>>>opponent with way more time. >>>>> >>>>>A fine line exists between using just enough time to save yourself, and using >>>>>too much time and basically leaving the game resignable. >>>> >>>>A drop from 0.1 to -1.5 is an excellent time to start panicking. >>>> >>>>Dave >>> >>> >>> >>>Yes... but with caution. -1.5 isn't necessarily losing. Time == 0 is >>>absolutely losing. >> >>Time==0 is absolutely losing but 5 minutes for 8 moves at tournament time >>control is not close to be absolutely losing. >> >>If I suppose the opponent has 24 minutes for 8 moves then this case is better >>than 24/5 hardware advantage for 8 moves because of the permanent brain and even >>24/5 hardware advantage for the all game and not only for 8 moves is not >>absolutely losing. >> >>Uri >> >>Uri > > >Continue the math. 5:1 time odds is about 200 Elo difference. Which means >a 3 of 4 chance of losing. That is nearly absolute. It is _much_ worse than >the odds of losing a game from a pawn down. 1)5:1 hardware advantage is about 200 Elo difference but 5:1 time odds is less than 5:1 hardware advantage because of the permanent brain. 2)5:1 time odds for only 8 moves is clearly less than 5:1 time odds for all the game. Uri
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