Author: Lanny DiBartolomeo
Date: 14:35:55 10/14/99
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On October 13, 1999 at 22:25:05, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On October 13, 1999 at 20:34:25, Lanny DiBartolomeo wrote: > >>On October 13, 1999 at 01:59:23, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On October 12, 1999 at 19:25:51, blass uri wrote: >>> >>>>On October 12, 1999 at 03:09:40, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>>> >>>>>On October 12, 1999 at 01:55:22, Micheal Cummings wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>They have nothing to gain or lose now anyway. DB had not been around for quite a >>>>>>long time, programs have advanced as too technology. I would be interested in >>>>>>seeing Shredder and your program ferret play DB using WCCC99 hardware. >>>>> >>>>>They totally have stuff to lose. People still remember that match. If you were >>>>>to pick some random person off the street, there is a good chance that they will >>>>>"know" that A) DB is the best chess entity on the planet, B)IBM built the thing. >>>> >>>>I do not think they have much to lose if they play with DB JR that is not Deeper >>>>blue(if DB JR is really better than the commercial programs) because of the >>>>following reasons: >>>> >>>>1)If they lose one game they always can say that it is only DB JR and not Deep >>>>blue. >>>> >>>>2)It is not clear to the public if DB JR(not deeper blue) is really better than >>>>the commercial programs so if they can prove a clear superiority(winning only >>>>16:4 in a match of 20 games) people will be more impressed by their results. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>> >>>Your view of the world is _much_ too small. The people that care whether DB Jr >>>can beat a commercial program can be counted on the fingers and toes of a few >>>dozen people. The number of people that know that DB beat Kasparov, something >>>no other computer has _ever_ done, would require maybe 100,000,000 people, using >>>fingers and toes to count them all. >>> >> >>I thought they were making a chess card with chips like DB jr? If they are >>wouldnt we be the ones purchasing this product? If so I would like to see it >>crush the other programs. So it seems like they would want to prove to future >>buyers its playing strength. Disreguard if i'm talking apples/Oranges here :)) >>and have my chips confused. >> > >you have organizations confused. :) IBM isn't doing the chess chip project. >That is something Hsu has been talking about doing on his own. IBM is much >more interested in the opinions of over 100 million people that are aware of >the DB vs Kasparov victory than they are interested in the couple of thousand >of people here following computer chess carefully. That was the issue I was >pointing out... > >it is about advertising and name-brand recognition... at the marketing level >in IBM anyway. > Oh, ok thanks :) > > >>>_those_ are the people IBM is interested in, as _those_ are the people that will >>>buy their hardware. They don't care squat about the few of us chess types that >>>are interested in this. We won't buy enough of their equipment to pay for one >>>newspaper ad. DB produced tens of millions of dollars of free advertisement. >>> >>>That didn't go lost on the bookkeepers... They aren't about to jeopardize that >>>kind of publicity now. Prior to beating Kasparov there was a lot of pressure to >>>keep DT/DB visible, as IBM even sponsored the last two ACM events. But now they >>>have the reputation and the only possible way to go is down, in public opinion.
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