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Subject: Re: DB will never play with REBEL, they simple are afraid no to do well

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 22:03:16 10/14/99

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On October 14, 1999 at 23:32:26, blass uri wrote:

>On October 14, 1999 at 17:41:08, Robert Hyatt wrote:
><snipped>
>>Again, I have seen no program other than DB that can take that game after the
>>'bad moves' and win it.
>
>No program could win strong humans in this opening but the point is that I
>believe that in this game kasparov played weaker than an IM.
>
>I did not say that the opening was wrong but that kasparov was not prepared for
>it.
>
>I believe that he did some bad moves and not only one
>when the first of them was Qe7 instead of fxe6

the main point here was that on DB's first non-book move, it did a very deep
search and found a +3 evaluation or so.  No one else was able to reproduce that
without a 24+ hour search.  I don't remember (now) where it came out of book,
I do recall that the operator was very nervous and was glad to see the big
+ eval.



>
>I want to know if the humans who won programs in the same opening used the same
>moves of kasparov when the program was the first side to play different.

one did, including the odd queen move that Karpov's book (I think karpov wrote
it am not sure) said was one of two reasonable tries but didn't quite measure
up.



>
>If the humans who won after Nxe6 did not play the same as kasparov then the
>games prove nothing.
>
><snipped>
>>In any case, DB made it look easy, but it wasn't.  Until someone can produce a
>>program that can win that from the white side, DB's play remains a small miracle
>>IMHO..
>
>It is interesting to check if no program can play the same moves as deeper blue
>in the last games.
>
>I do not know.
>
>Uri

In at least one test, an IM played every move from Kasparov's game until the
micro would vary from DB's move.  That was the main one that caught my eye,
as he won every game from that point forward.



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