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Subject: Re: deep blue elo

Author: Ed Schröder

Date: 23:20:49 10/16/99

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On October 16, 1999 at 22:52:39, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On October 16, 1999 at 18:35:11, Amir Ban wrote:
>
>>On October 16, 1999 at 17:16:45, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On October 16, 1999 at 15:43:59, Amir Ban wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 16, 1999 at 01:29:04, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On October 15, 1999 at 23:55:47, walter irvin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>does anyone care to speculate what elo the deep blue that defeated kasparov was
>>>>>>playing at . i know it was too few games to pin down an exact elo . does anyone
>>>>>>believe a micro program like fritz ect could win 1 in 5 games vs db ?? if db was
>>>>>>on icc could it be beaten at blitz by ANY of the players there ??? i'm just
>>>>>>curious as to what others think about this .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I would speculate, and it is _real_ speculation, that it was in the 2750-2850
>>>>>range.  Based on lots of things including deep thought performing at 2600 over
>>>>>25 games to get the Fredkin 2 prize, plus beating kasparov.  Whether it is
>>>>>stronger than Kasparov or not is a good question.  It is clearly close enough
>>>>>to worry about.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You were told here only a week that this was for 2500 USCF (i.e. about ELO
>>>>2400), and you acknowledged this information. How did you manage to forget it so
>>>>fast ?
>>>
>>>the requirement was to exceed 2500 USCF.  they hit right at 2600 USCF.  I
>>>didn't acknowledge anything different.  And _nothing_ I know of says that
>>>USCF = FIDE+100.  In fact, Ken Sloan (in the CIS department) did a detailed
>>>study and found that above 2400 or so the ratings are far closer than that
>>>
>>>He published that in r.g.c.c about 2 years ago.  It hasn't changed that I
>>>know of.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>This is not the first time that when corrected on a piece of Deep Blue
>>>>information, you acknowledged mistake, then immediately went back to repeating
>>>>it.
>>>
>>>This is not the first time you make an error in a statement, then refer to
>>>the original error as fact.  DT had a rating of about 2600 USCF over 25
>>>consecutive games.  You can find the exact details in the JICCA announcement
>>>where they were awarded the prize.
>>>
>>
>>Nice try. It was in fact USCF 2551.
>
>ok...  what does that change in my post you jumped in on?  I was over on DT's
>rating by 49 points.  Has little effect on my reasoning for DB's rating...
>
>
>>
>>
>>>You really have this 'envy' thing going, don't you?
>>>
>>
>>Yes. I wish I could make things up as easily as you do. It's an asset in some
>>situations.
>>
>>Amir
>
>
>I was thinking about your tremendous envy of the DB project.  You have taken
>every chance possible to 'do them in'.  from your mistaken statements about
>their output, to whatever.

I can't remember any "mistaken statements" from Amir regarding DB.

>your loss, not mine...

Come on, some of us are just curious, don't confuse that with envy.

Ed



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