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Subject: Re: ICC Green List - Oct 18

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 12:19:12 10/19/99

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On October 19, 1999 at 14:25:44, Jeremiah Penery wrote:

>On October 19, 1999 at 13:29:11, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On October 19, 1999 at 13:01:10, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>>
>>>On October 19, 1999 at 11:27:16, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 19, 1999 at 08:18:27, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On October 18, 1999 at 22:40:44, Will Singleton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Incidentally, it's a shame some of the other good progs that play on fics aren't
>>>>>>available on ICC.  There's Heiko Mikala's program, plus jrcp (Insomniac),
>>>>>>Fortress, and others.  All of these have really improved and are getting strong.
>>>>>
>>>>>IMO, it's a shame that most of the good programs that play on ICC don't play on
>>>>>FICS.  FICS has a better rating system for online play, which is also not
>>>>>inflated by some 300+ points on the high end.  Also, there are many who simply
>>>>>can't afford to play on ICC (I am one.), even though it is 'only' $50 or less.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jeremiah
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I have "scrappy" running on FICS all the time (except for the last week as I
>>>>have been letting Vincent use it to test his parallel search for an upcoming
>>>>tournament).
>>>>
>>>>I don't run 'crafty' there a lot for two reasons:  (1) there are far more GM
>>>>players on ICC, and they are the targets that are interesting;
>>>
>>>True. :(
>>>
>>>>  (2) FICS has a really bad 'computer cheating' problem.
>>>
>>>I've never noticed this.  In any case, I'm sure the problem exists at ICC also.
>>>It just may not be as noticable, or quite as proportionately large.  What does
>>>ICC do to help prevent this that FICS doesn't do?
>>>
>>>Jeremiah
>>
>>
>>Probably they charge 50 bucks a year, which prevents so many young kids with
>>computers from just jumping in and cheating. :)
>
>Hmph.  Point conceded. :)  I hadn't really thought of this.
>
>What about chess.net?  Aside from the rather different interface they have (I
>can hardly figure out how to use 'tell' sometimes, because it just doesn't work
>how it should.), it seems to be pretty good.  I don't play there much, however,
>so I don't know if there is any rampant cheating going on.
>
>Jeremiah


I played there a good while, as a long time back Roman asked me to come over
there when he was unhappy with treatment on ICC.  I enjoyed lots of marathon
matches vs him and Larry Christiansen, and the very rare visit by Karpov since
he and Roman are close friends.  however, since Roman visits ICC all the time,
Crafty 'hangs out' there since there are many other GMs ready to go to war
over the board.  :)

Not to mention more computer opponents as well, as all of the commercial
programs are there, operated by private 'owners' that want to see how they
will do.



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