Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 06:54:33 10/20/99
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On October 20, 1999 at 00:07:59, KarinsDad wrote: >On October 19, 1999 at 21:31:37, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On October 19, 1999 at 20:14:57, KarinsDad wrote: >> >>>On October 19, 1999 at 19:10:36, James B. Shearer wrote: >>> >>>[snip] >>>> >>>> This has nothing to do with copyright. It is a trademark question. >>>>For what it's worth I don't believe that under US law "Deep Blue Junior" would >>>>infringe on any trademark rights Ban may have on the word "Junior". Was Junior >>>>even for sale when "Deep Blue Junior" was coined? >>>> James B. Shearer >>> >>>You are correct. I am terrible at legalisms (libel vs. slander, copyright vs. >>>trademark, etc.). That's probably why my sister became a DA, in order to one up >>>me on legalisms. ;) >>> >>>Well, both Junior and Deep Blue Jr. have been around for quite a while. Junior >>>won the microcomputer championship in 1997. Deep Blue Jr. started touring in >>>1996 I think, but I cannot find any references to it before 1997. >>> >>>So, I guess someone who knows the history of these two programs better than I >>>should speak up. >>> >>>KarinsDad :) >> >> >>If this were 'patent' issue, IBM had a trademark for "PC Junior" well before >>there was a junior chess program. We had a couple of those in the department >>a _long_ while ago, back in the days of the PS2 and so forth. > >Sorry, you lost me. > >What does PC Junior (a system) have to do with Deep Blue Junior (a chess >program) other than they both came from the same corporation? It shows that it is a very common practice to append "junior" to a name to show that this is a "smaller version". The "PC Junior" machine was directly marketed to 'students'. It was a macintosh-like machne with 'all in one' hardware box, monitor and all. It was slower than the normal PC, had a smaller max disk drive size than the usual PS-2's, had smaller memory than the PS-2's, etc. In short it was a "junior" edition. > >Are you trying to infer that having a system called PC Junior entitles IBM to a >name preference for a PC chess program 10+ years later? No... i am just showing that this is a very common practice, and not only from the US. I have examples from England as well as other countries, if we need more 'enumeration'. "Cray Blitz Junior" certainly existed before "junior" did, because CB Jr played in the 1984 US Open speed chess championship in Pasadena that year. Using 'that' name. I don't consider it confusing that Amir chose to use a word by itself for his program's name, that I had already used in a program I had written, to indicate that this version of my program was way slower than the 'senior' version of Cray Blitz. > >I doubt it works that way (but then again, my knowledge of legal matters is >flawed). > >So, do you know which officially came first (i.e. played in tournaments first), >Deep Blue Junior or Junior? I suspect "junior" as "DB Junior" probably didn't exist as a name in 1995. But Cray Blitz Junior existed _ten_ years earlier. > >Also, is it officially Deep Blue Junior (that is what I found on the web earlier >as the earliest references) or Deep Blue Jr.? Depends on where you read. Junior and Jr are the exact same thing. Some publications refuse to use abbreviations/contractions/etc. Others do it to save space. > >KarinsDad :)
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