Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 07:19:56 10/23/99
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On October 23, 1999 at 04:08:49, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >Hello Will, > >>No thanks, Frank. > >Will, I can put the program on my webpage. Gabi said OK and people can download >this program. My interest is that more people play with this strong amateur >engines. I have not other interests with my webpage ! > >I make not an publicity on my page and I writing over all "WinBoard Engines". > >My opinion is, that the Voyager discussion is not so good for amateur chess in >the world. > A "bright light" hurts, does it? "Honesty" is a bad thing, is it? >Gerrit Reubold (Program: DER BRINGER) writing in this forum ... >"My program is not an crafty" > >Must programmer writing that a new program is not an crafty ? No. All they must do is _write_ their own program. The author of "voyager" and "La Petite" seems totally incapable of doing this. It is quite easy to prove. > >Gabi can not make more than give an version for free. >I think that an eMail to Gabi is better than this discussion ! Hey... it is _easy_ to copy a program and give it away for free. But _if_ he copies _my_ program and sells it, he is going to have a problem. A _big_ problem. > >For me is clear, this forum endanger my interest ! And this is my last message >in this forum. If you support this guy in his efforts, and it seems quite obvious that you do, based on your web site, running away to hide is one way to "get out of the bright light". Or cleaning up your act and getting rid of the cheap copy of Crafty called "Le Petite" would be even better. Running away only confirms 'suspicions'. > >I be disappointed over this discussion and over other messages, example: >Games on one PC are not good !??? You aren't _nearly_ as disappointed as I am, when I find that some idiot has copied a publicly available program and then says "look at what I have written! It has taken years of work to develop this program." He only forgets to complete the sentence "It has taken years of work by Bob Hyatt, Eugene Nalimov, Tim Mann, Jason Deines, Mike Byrne, Mark Bromley, and many others that have contributed bits and pieces of Crafty." > >---> Many people have fun on this games and this is importend !!!! > >My vather say to me (not an prof but an good man), Frank when you will charge >make this not public or you have 100% produce proofs ! > >When a person me give an proof that 25% from LaPetite is an Crafty then I delate >this program from my page, OK ! Please, then writing an eMail to ... I will give you proof. Do the following: Look at the 'strings' in the le petite executable. You will find many right out of the crafty source, in English. You will find many others that are converted to German. Examine the opening book. It is _identical_ in structure to mine. To date one other program author has contacted me and had an email discussion about how/why I designed my book as I did, so that he can share my book to make winboard events easier to handle. Do you _really_ think the Le Petite programmer came up with the same book format (binary file format) as I did, all by himself? When you set up a new position in crafty, and then play games, someone wanted to be able to back up and start over, or whatever. They wrote code in Crafty to do this, using the "savepos" command which converts the current board to a FEN string. Normally "savepos" has a filename as a parameter and it writes this FEN string into the file. A 'special' option is "savepos *" which says to save the current position in a special variable that is used to initialize the board anytime the game backs up to the start. Who _else_ uses the command "savepos *" to do this? _NOBODY_. Yet you will find it right in the strings that show up inside Crafty and in the strings from Le Petite. Who prompts you for a move with "white(1)" or "black(1)" where "1" is the current move number? Crafty and Le Petite. Who implemented the winboard-compatibility "edit" command and uses the string "edit(white) and edit(black)"? Crafty and LePetite (in non-English of course... edit in English, (color) not in English. It uses my "InputMove()" function with identical strings used to parse the moves. Unlikely anyne would do it this way. It accepts the options "winboard" and "xboard" to put it into xboard mode to work with xboard. Who else uses "winboard" which is not in the xboard/winboard engine-intf.txt document? Who else uses an "undo" command in the analysis mode? Who uses the "timeleft" command to set the time for both players? This is for my custom interface only (not winboard/xboard). My interface has _not_ been released, so how would he know about _this_ command? Who uses the "setboard" command to set positions? Who uses "reset n" to back up to move n? Who uses the command "remove" to back up one move or "remove n" to back up N moves? Crafty, Cray Blitz, and Le Petite, that's who. Who has a "flag" option to disable the program calling the flag in a winboard match? Crafty and Le Petite. I added this at the request of those playing Crafty vs GnuchessX matches, because gnu often goes just over the time control on the last move and it was biasing the match results badly. Who uses "draw decline" and "draw accept" commands to allow the engine to automatically accept/reject draw offers by itself, or to make it always decline a draw offer? Which programs offer a draw on a chess server? Crafty does. I haven't seen anyone else do this. Le Petite does too, same code as Crafty. Run the thing under your favorite debugger to let it initialize the large number of bitmaps. Then examine them in a window right beside Crafty. Who else uses my rotated bitmaps exactly? The list goes on and on... It's a copy. plain and simple. Anyone can see the same things as I point out above by just doing "strings Lepetite.exe" and comparing to the smae for crafty.exe. > >Quisinsky@in-trier.de > >The last message >from me in this forum ! > >Bye bye > >and ... > >have a nice day ! > >Frank You are going to let a fraud make you look bad, and then just run away and hide? That makes a lot of sense. We have a lot of people here writing "amateur" programs. They aren't as good as Crafty, yet. But they are all getting better. And may well be better, either sooner or later. But the 'voyager' program was a crock. Le Petite is a crock too. Produced by a complete fraud...
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