Author: Alessandro Damiani
Date: 12:33:02 10/23/99
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On October 23, 1999 at 10:19:56, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On October 23, 1999 at 04:08:49, Frank Quisinsky wrote: > >>Hello Will, >> >>>No thanks, Frank. >> >>Will, I can put the program on my webpage. Gabi said OK and people can download >>this program. My interest is that more people play with this strong amateur >>engines. I have not other interests with my webpage ! >> >>I make not an publicity on my page and I writing over all "WinBoard Engines". >> >>My opinion is, that the Voyager discussion is not so good for amateur chess in >>the world. >> > > >A "bright light" hurts, does it? "Honesty" is a bad thing, is it? > > >>Gerrit Reubold (Program: DER BRINGER) writing in this forum ... >>"My program is not an crafty" >> >>Must programmer writing that a new program is not an crafty ? > > >No. All they must do is _write_ their own program. The author of >"voyager" and "La Petite" seems totally incapable of doing this. It >is quite easy to prove. > > >> >>Gabi can not make more than give an version for free. >>I think that an eMail to Gabi is better than this discussion ! > >Hey... it is _easy_ to copy a program and give it away for free. >But _if_ he copies _my_ program and sells it, he is going to have a >problem. A _big_ problem. > > > > >> >>For me is clear, this forum endanger my interest ! And this is my last message >>in this forum. > > >If you support this guy in his efforts, and it seems quite obvious that you >do, based on your web site, running away to hide is one way to "get out of >the bright light". Or cleaning up your act and getting rid of the cheap copy >of Crafty called "Le Petite" would be even better. Running away only confirms >'suspicions'. > > >> >>I be disappointed over this discussion and over other messages, example: >>Games on one PC are not good !??? > > >You aren't _nearly_ as disappointed as I am, when I find that some idiot >has copied a publicly available program and then says "look at what I have >written! It has taken years of work to develop this program." He only >forgets to complete the sentence "It has taken years of work by Bob Hyatt, >Eugene Nalimov, Tim Mann, Jason Deines, Mike Byrne, Mark Bromley, and many >others that have contributed bits and pieces of Crafty." > > > > > > >> >>---> Many people have fun on this games and this is importend !!!! >> >>My vather say to me (not an prof but an good man), Frank when you will charge >>make this not public or you have 100% produce proofs ! >> >>When a person me give an proof that 25% from LaPetite is an Crafty then I delate >>this program from my page, OK ! Please, then writing an eMail to ... > > >I will give you proof. Do the following: Look at the 'strings' in the >le petite executable. You will find many right out of the crafty source, >in English. You will find many others that are converted to German. Examine >the opening book. It is _identical_ in structure to mine. To date one other >program author has contacted me and had an email discussion about how/why I >designed my book as I did, so that he can share my book to make winboard >events easier to handle. Do you _really_ think the Le Petite programmer came >up with the same book format (binary file format) as I did, all by himself? > >When you set up a new position in crafty, and then play games, someone wanted to >be able to back up and start over, or whatever. They wrote code in Crafty to >do this, using the "savepos" command which converts the current board to a FEN >string. Normally "savepos" has a filename as a parameter and it writes this >FEN string into the file. A 'special' option is "savepos *" which says to save >the current position in a special variable that is used to initialize the board >anytime the game backs up to the start. Who _else_ uses the command "savepos *" >to do this? _NOBODY_. Yet you will find it right in the strings that show >up inside Crafty and in the strings from Le Petite. > >Who prompts you for a move with "white(1)" or "black(1)" where "1" is the >current move number? Crafty and Le Petite. > >Who implemented the winboard-compatibility "edit" command and uses the >string "edit(white) and edit(black)"? Crafty and LePetite (in non-English of >course... edit in English, (color) not in English. > >It uses my "InputMove()" function with identical strings used to parse the >moves. Unlikely anyne would do it this way. > >It accepts the options "winboard" and "xboard" to put it into xboard mode to >work with xboard. Who else uses "winboard" which is not in the xboard/winboard >engine-intf.txt document? > >Who else uses an "undo" command in the analysis mode? > >Who uses the "timeleft" command to set the time for both players? This is >for my custom interface only (not winboard/xboard). My interface has _not_ >been released, so how would he know about _this_ command? > >Who uses the "setboard" command to set positions? Who uses "reset n" to back >up to move n? Who uses the command "remove" to back up one move or "remove n" >to back up N moves? Crafty, Cray Blitz, and Le Petite, that's who. > >Who has a "flag" option to disable the program calling the flag in a winboard >match? Crafty and Le Petite. I added this at the request of those playing >Crafty vs GnuchessX matches, because gnu often goes just over the time control >on the last move and it was biasing the match results badly. > >Who uses "draw decline" and "draw accept" commands to allow the engine to >automatically accept/reject draw offers by itself, or to make it always decline >a draw offer? > >Which programs offer a draw on a chess server? Crafty does. I haven't seen >anyone else do this. Le Petite does too, same code as Crafty. > >Run the thing under your favorite debugger to let it initialize the large >number of bitmaps. Then examine them in a window right beside Crafty. Who >else uses my rotated bitmaps exactly? > >The list goes on and on... > >It's a copy. plain and simple. Anyone can see the same things as I point out >above by just doing "strings Lepetite.exe" and comparing to the smae for >crafty.exe. > > > > > >> >>Quisinsky@in-trier.de >> >>The last message >>from me in this forum ! >> >>Bye bye >> >>and ... >> >>have a nice day ! >> >>Frank > > >You are going to let a fraud make you look bad, and then just run away and >hide? That makes a lot of sense. We have a lot of people here writing >"amateur" programs. They aren't as good as Crafty, yet. But they are all >getting better. And may well be better, either sooner or later. But the >'voyager' program was a crock. Le Petite is a crock too. Produced by a >complete fraud... Everybody knows that you are right, Bob. There is no doubt. But why does Frank react in such a way? Perhaps he has confidence in Gabriele Mueller. And if this is the case he cannot drop her, of course. Therefore I understand his reaction. Frank does a wonderful work, as we all in the computer chess world do. We should not be angry with Frank, if he takes side with his friend. His behaviour is natural. I don't understand Gabriele Mueller. Bob has worked very hard on Crafty over years, and she doesn't take care of that. I don't understand her. Alessandro
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