Author: Charles Unruh
Date: 07:32:34 10/25/99
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On October 25, 1999 at 10:24:57, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >On October 25, 1999 at 09:40:16, Charles Unruh wrote: > >>Several of the people in the following list are GMs. If as some here presume >>that comps are only 2450 FIDE strength, then doing the standard attempt at >>conversion from Fide to USCF of adding 50 points(MANY say add 80-100) then comps >>would be 2500 USCF. Then comps are as strong as GM's Ashley( a new GM at his >>height), Palatnik, Sagalchick, Gufeld, and Ziatidinov(has 3 gm norms). If you >>added 80 to a 100 as many suggests comps are as strong as many other GMs who are >>USCF members. > >This doesn't work if you mean that programs are comparable to GMs, which is a >way to imply that they are at the GM level. They are at GM level just weak gm getting the 3 GM norms is all. There is no prog in the top 5 that couldn't get the 3 normes in the 5 year period required by fide to get the title that was running on top software, and playing at least twice a month in strong swiss events with norms available on the european chess circuit. You may disagree but que sera sera(however you spell it :). >Programs are probably stronger than several active GMs. For example: > >Pachman, Ludek 2320 >Lengyel, Levente 2320 >Damjanovic, Mato 2315 >Vadasz, Laszlo 2300 >Denker, Arnold S 2295 >Rossetto, Hector 2285 >Suradiradja, Herman 2285 >Gurgenidze, Bukhuti 2278 > >Only that they became grandmasters in their peek times, while none of them would >get today the 3 norms at >= 2600. Programs can't reach the level of "real" >grandmasters (2600+) by any stretch of imagination. They may be IM at best, and >I still have my doubts. > >Enrique > >> Root, Douglas D >> TX >> 2585 >> 22 >> Ivanov, Alexander >> MA >> 2584 >> 23 >> Lakdawala, Cyrus F >> CA >> 2581 >> 24 >> Sherzer, Alex I >> >> 2580 >> 25 >> Rohde, Michael A >> NY >> 2578 >> 26 >> Kreiman, Boris >> NY >> 2577 >> 27 >> Garcia, Gildardo >> NY >> 2576 >> 28 >> Orlov, Georgi >> WA >> 2574 >> 29 >> Kavalek, Lubomir >> VA >> 2570 >> 30 >> Shaked, Tal >> AZ >> 2568 >> 31 >> Browne, Walter S >> CA >> 2567 >> 32 >> Altounian, Levon >> CA >> 2557 >> 33 >> Ashley, Maurice A >> NY >> 2550 >> 34 >> Sagalchik, Gennady >> NY >> 2545 >> 35 >> Palatnik, Semion >> TN >> 2544 >> 36 >> Ziatdinov, Rashid >> AZ >> 2541 >> 37 >> Felecan, Florin >> IL >> 2534 >> >> Waitzkin, Joshua >> NY >> 2534 >> 39 >> Lapshun, Yurij >> NY >> 2531 >> 40 >> Gufeld, Eduard >> CA >> 2530 >> >> Bradford, Joseph Mark >> TX >> 2530 >> 42 >> Shliperman, Igor >> NY >> 2525 >> >> Blocker, Calvin >> OH >> 2525 >> 44 >> Donaldson, W John >> CA >> 2523
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