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Subject: Re: If Crafty (ICC rating 3100+) plays Fritz (active rating 2800+)...

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 19:01:17 10/27/99

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On October 27, 1999 at 16:44:29, Djordje Vidanovic wrote:

>On October 27, 1999 at 11:04:11, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On October 27, 1999 at 11:00:17, Djordje Vidanovic wrote:
>>
>>>On October 27, 1999 at 06:08:41, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>>
>>>>... blitz, which one wins? I assume both palying with 4 CPU system of course.
>>>>Any guesses?
>>>>
>>>>Jouni
>>>
>>>On my PII-400 dual (MS Windows 2000) the SMP Crafty 16.15P4  played blitz
>>>against Fritz 6, G/5, pondering off, small book of about 25,000 positions
>>>compiled by me.  Crafty would reach 600,000 nodes per second in the endgame,
>>>averaging around 350,000 ns.  The score was 25.5-10.5 in Fritz's favour.
>>>
>>>I believe that Fritz 6 would easily be the best blitzer on ICC.
>>>
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>Djordje
>>
>>
>><sigh again>  ponder=off.  small custom book.  Perhaps that isn't the "real"
>>crafty?
>
>OK, OK.  I was not fair to either of the programs for not using a larger book,
>and for not using Crafty's natural environs:  running the match on two computers
>with pondering on, Crafty's proprietary book, etc.  However, I thought that
>Crafty's running on a multiprocessor unit would make up for some of the
>disadvantages.  I still think that this score has some validity.  How about
>another score in which the very same Fritz 6 annihilated Little Goliath 2000b by
>something like 47:3?  Trust me, Fritz 6 is as good as any other blitzer,
>including Hiarcs 7.32 and Fritz 5.32.
>
>What do you guys think:  would one of the Fritzes (5.32 or 6) be able to come up
>as No.1 on ICC at blitz?
>
>Djordje


The problem seems to be that fritz gets rolled into little balls by the GM
players there.  We have several running on ICC using the CSTal interface so that
they are automated...  and I have watched at least a couple of GMs have an easy
time, because Fritz doesn't know how to prevent the position from becoming
blocked, and once it becomes blocked, it doesn't have a clue as to what to do
after that.  Once commercial programs become automated, the weaknesses are found
and exploited, and then the authors have to face what some of us have faced for
several yars now, the adaptability of human GM/IM players.  It is a fearsome
thing, from experience.

Yes, fritz will win plenty of games, because if the opponent plays open chess,
fritz is tough.  But cptnbluebear is a real problem.  Log on and try him a few
games to see what I mean...



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