Author: Ricardo Gibert
Date: 12:43:02 10/28/99
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On October 28, 1999 at 14:50:42, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On October 28, 1999 at 14:26:57, Ricardo Gibert wrote: > >>On October 27, 1999 at 15:22:29, Alexander Kure wrote: >> >>>On October 27, 1999 at 11:55:49, Amir Ban wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>You noplayed the two highest rated blitz computers around (Ban & Varguz). The >>>>others are either hundreds of points lower or don't come any longer. >>>> >>> >>>As I run Varguz on my second compi I think I can add something: >>> >>>I do not care if Crafty is noplaying Varguz. I do not have a noplaylist, cause I >>>simply do not care. I think Crafty is an amateur program that could learn a lot >>>from playing the commercials. >>>Let me put it this way: Compared to the strong commercial programs like Junior, >>>Fritz, Hiarcs and Nimzo Crafty is much weaker and needs some improvements to be >>>a match for the above programs on equal hardware. >> >>Be fair. You are forgetting that the commercial programs do not publish their >>source code. Sure they are stronger, they have the crafty source code to look >>at. Due to this, one might say that crafty defines the dividing line between the >>top programs and the also rans. If your program is not at least as good as >>crafty, then it is not a top program. No matter how much Hyatt improves his >>program, he will never be able to best the top programs (for very long anyway), >>since he gives away all his ideas. >> >>> >>>Greetings Alex > > >And we _know_ that nobody uses those outdated ideas in Crafty, right? :) > >IE book learning, some of the evaluation terms... etc. I have been really >hesitant to release the new pawn majority code because no one else is doing >this that I can recognize, at least not doing it effectively. The minute 17.0 >hits the street, others will be doing it soon. > >Good or bad? Not just good, great! Crafty has doubtless elevated the playing strength of all chess programs (both commercial and non-) by making the source public. Alex got it backwards: The important point is not so much that crafty _could_ learn a lot from the commercial programs, but rather the commercial programs _do_ learn a lot from crafty. > >A one-way flow of information? Yes. If they want to compete with crafty on an equal footing, they should publish their source. > >Is it really worth it?
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