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Subject: Please stop the bickering

Author: Ed Schröder

Date: 23:34:23 10/28/99


>Posted by Robert Hyatt on October 28, 1999 at 21:39:17:
>
>I have been to them since they first started holding them.  In the early 70's,
>we all talked.  In the 80's, the 'research groups' talked, the commercial
>programmers 'lurked'.  To see this, just take a gander through the JICCA, and
>see how many published articles you find by commercial programmers.
>Prepare to
>look long and hard.  And prepare to find only a tidbit here and there that is
>5-6 years out of date.  Compared to those of us doing this for fun...

I am sorry to say but the only thing I found useful in the ICCA journal (for
Rebel) was an article how to implement the hash table and that was 10 years
ago. After being an ICCA member for 15 years and 60 magazines I would say
that ain't much.

Your argument is in contradiction also. The MAIN improvement for nowadays
programs since 4-5 years comes from NULL-MOVE, right? This includes Crafty
as well.

And who gave you null-move?

Right, 2 commercial chess programmers :-)


>>Ever asked Chrilly Donninger about how he has implemented Null
>>Move? Ask him and he will tell you!

>maybe he will, and maybe he won't. 

:-)

Wasn't it Chrilly Donninger who made NULL-MOVE world famous in the ICCA
journal?

NULL-MOVE gave every program who had not a decent selective search algorithm
an improvement of over 200 elo points and for some certainly more.

History of NULL-MOVE:
Inventor: Don Beal
Creator: Frans Morsch (commercial)
Publisher: Chrilly Donninger (commercial)

Please stop your bickering on commercials as you using the most powerful
idea since times in Crafty yourself which came from 2 commercials.

About Crafty's source code, I have downloaded Crafty's source code twice
(version 9.xx and 16.6). I found nothing special I could use. Just to let
you know that not everybody is lurking your source code as you imply.

Ed





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