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Subject: Re: Please stop the bickering

Author: Ed Schröder

Date: 16:02:30 10/29/99

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>Posted by Dann Corbit on October 29, 1999 at 16:06:10:
>
>[snip]
>>What do you have against commercial programmers anyway? They give a lot of
>>people the joy of a good program and interface to enjoy their hobby named
>>chess. Because some are commercial they can afford to spend all their time
>>improving their product. Without being commercial the interface and engine
>>would be on a level of years back.
>
>The benefit from commercial programs is that the programmers can go at it full
>time.  Dr. Hyatt has to teach (and probably publish too).  Pretty much the
>samefor all of the other ameteur programs, since the inventors do not derive
>income from them.  If someone is able to focus on the same problem day in and
>day out around the clock, they can come up with better solutions through better
>effort.
>
>On the other hand, private and ameteur programs can also advance chess
>programming.  Maybe they don't advance it much for *YOU* but they sure do a
>lot for *ME* and for many other ameteur chess programmers.  At some point, all of
>the commercial programs will benefit from ameteur efforts.  Eugene Nalimov's
>tablebase files are a good case in point.  Programs that use them will have
>stronger endgames (indeed, perfect endgames when the man count is small
>enough).

I agree.

Never meant to imply I don't use anybody else idea's.

- A/B is not mine.
- Hash tables is not mine.

I use them and so does everybody.

>If a commercial programmer makes a monumental discovery, they will be more
>likely to keep it to themselves because it gives them a clear advantage in
>sales if they win more than the other programs.

Some are some don't.

Concerning me, at times I have given valuable information about Rebel. I don't
tell all for obvious reasons but a good listener only needs a half word.

>The fact is that we benefit from both efforts but in different ways.  I like
>crafty and rebel both.  I have and use both.  Both are valuable and
>interesting to me (but in different ways, even for these chess programs).

I agree.

Ed




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