Author: James B. Shearer
Date: 16:20:00 10/31/99
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On October 31, 1999 at 18:10:33, Christophe Theron wrote:
>On October 31, 1999 at 04:04:41, Peter McKenzie wrote:
>
>>On October 31, 1999 at 02:28:52, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>
>>>On October 31, 1999 at 00:02:37, Peter McKenzie wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 30, 1999 at 17:52:02, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>>
>
>(snip)
>
>>>>>I would not be surprised if Chess Tiger 12.0 on PII-300 was able to stand Crafty
>>>>>on a Quad-Xeon. After all that would only be a 4x speed advantage for Crafty. :)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You talk the talk, but can you walk the walk?
>>>>I'll look forward to seeing tiger on ICC.
>>>
>>>I'll do when I have some free time.
>>>
>>>Is there something in what I say you don't find reasonnable?
>>
>>To be honest I find the tone of your post somewhat distasteful.
>
>
>Really Peter?
>
>Probably you have missed the recent cute exchange between Bob and Amir? Bob
>using words like "full of snot".
>
>If you find my message "distasteful" I'm wondering what you would have said
>about Bob's.
>
>You missed it, did you?
Hyatt didn't solicit his opinion, you did.
>What I wanted to point out in my message is that Crafty, that some are taking as
>a reference, is YEARS BEHIND the top programs.
>
>Not only behind Tiger in fact. I'm pretty sure you can repeat the same
>experiment with the top commercial programs, namely:
>
> Fritz5.32
> Rebel10
> Hiarcs7.32
> Junior5.0
> Nimzo99
> MChessPro6.0
> Shredder2
> Genius5
>
>
>As a measure of how much it is behind I would say that in my opinion it is at
>least 100 elo points behind.
>
>That's HUGE.
>
>That's why I think Tiger on a PII-400 would stand Crafty on Quad-Xeon.
>Unfortunately I have only a K6-2-300, so I'll have to try the experiment (if Bob
>agrees) with a 4x handicap, which probably translates to a 120-160 elo points
>handicap.
>
>Is it that distateful to point out that Crafty is so far behind?
Arrogance can be distasteful even when justified.
As for whether Crafty is ahead or behind, Crafty can use multiple
processors and some other programs cannot which I expect you are ignoring.
It is unreasonable to say Crafty is behind based on ignoring areas in which
Crafty is ahead.
If these other programs are all so great why does everybody run crafty
clones on ICC?
James B. Shearer
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