Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 22:44:56 10/31/99
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On October 31, 1999 at 19:20:00, James B. Shearer wrote:
>On October 31, 1999 at 18:10:33, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On October 31, 1999 at 04:04:41, Peter McKenzie wrote:
>>
>>>On October 31, 1999 at 02:28:52, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 31, 1999 at 00:02:37, Peter McKenzie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On October 30, 1999 at 17:52:02, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>>>
>>
>>(snip)
>>
>>>>>>I would not be surprised if Chess Tiger 12.0 on PII-300 was able to stand Crafty
>>>>>>on a Quad-Xeon. After all that would only be a 4x speed advantage for Crafty. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You talk the talk, but can you walk the walk?
>>>>>I'll look forward to seeing tiger on ICC.
>>>>
>>>>I'll do when I have some free time.
>>>>
>>>>Is there something in what I say you don't find reasonnable?
>>>
>>>To be honest I find the tone of your post somewhat distasteful.
>>
>>
>>Really Peter?
>>
>>Probably you have missed the recent cute exchange between Bob and Amir? Bob
>>using words like "full of snot".
>>
>>If you find my message "distasteful" I'm wondering what you would have said
>>about Bob's.
>>
>>You missed it, did you?
>
> Hyatt didn't solicit his opinion, you did.
>
>>What I wanted to point out in my message is that Crafty, that some are taking as
>>a reference, is YEARS BEHIND the top programs.
>>
>>Not only behind Tiger in fact. I'm pretty sure you can repeat the same
>>experiment with the top commercial programs, namely:
>>
>> Fritz5.32
>> Rebel10
>> Hiarcs7.32
>> Junior5.0
>> Nimzo99
>> MChessPro6.0
>> Shredder2
>> Genius5
>>
>>
>>As a measure of how much it is behind I would say that in my opinion it is at
>>least 100 elo points behind.
>>
>>That's HUGE.
>>
>>That's why I think Tiger on a PII-400 would stand Crafty on Quad-Xeon.
>>Unfortunately I have only a K6-2-300, so I'll have to try the experiment (if Bob
>>agrees) with a 4x handicap, which probably translates to a 120-160 elo points
>>handicap.
>>
>>Is it that distateful to point out that Crafty is so far behind?
>
> Arrogance can be distasteful even when justified.
On the issue of arrogance, my model here is Bob. I read all his posts and I
thought it was just fine to adopt the same style.
If you were fair you would have reacted to some of the recent posts from Bob. I
regret you did not.
> As for whether Crafty is ahead or behind, Crafty can use multiple
>processors and some other programs cannot which I expect you are ignoring.
Of course I know that.
>It is unreasonable to say Crafty is behind based on ignoring areas in which
>Crafty is ahead.
Crafty has been initially developped as a single processor PC program IIRC. As
such, his algorithms are definitely behind most of the commercial programs.
Crafty indeed needs several processors to get the strength of a good commercial
program running on a single processor.
So if the following is more to your taste: "Crafty needs a big hardware
advantage to play equal with the good commercial programs".
> If these other programs are all so great why does everybody run crafty
>clones on ICC?
Because it is more easy to connect Crafty to ICC? I don't know exactly. You tell
me...
Christophe
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