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Subject: Re: A crippled TIGER is still much better than a full strength CRAFTY :)

Author: walter irvin

Date: 13:59:16 11/01/99

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On October 31, 1999 at 22:11:12, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On October 31, 1999 at 18:10:33, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On October 31, 1999 at 04:04:41, Peter McKenzie wrote:
>>
>>>On October 31, 1999 at 02:28:52, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 31, 1999 at 00:02:37, Peter McKenzie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On October 30, 1999 at 17:52:02, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>>>
>>
>>(snip)
>>
>>>>>>I would not be surprised if Chess Tiger 12.0 on PII-300 was able to stand Crafty
>>>>>>on a Quad-Xeon. After all that would only be a 4x speed advantage for Crafty. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You talk the talk, but can you walk the walk?
>>>>>I'll look forward to seeing tiger on ICC.
>>>>
>>>>I'll do when I have some free time.
>>>>
>>>>Is there something in what I say you don't find reasonnable?
>>>
>>>To be honest I find the tone of your post somewhat distasteful.
>>
>>
>>Really Peter?
>>
>>Probably you have missed the recent cute exchange between Bob and Amir? Bob
>>using words like "full of snot".
>>
>>If you find my message "distasteful" I'm wondering what you would have said
>>about Bob's.
>>
>>You missed it, did you?
>>
>
>
>
>Nope.. _you_ missed it here.  Amir directly implied that I am a liar.  I
>responded.  back up and read again.  It is there in black in white.
>
>
>
>>What I wanted to point out in my message is that Crafty, that some are taking as
>>a reference, is YEARS BEHIND the top programs.
>>
>>Not only behind Tiger in fact. I'm pretty sure you can repeat the same
>>experiment with the top commercial programs, namely:
>>
>>  Fritz5.32
>>  Rebel10
>>  Hiarcs7.32
>>  Junior5.0
>>  Nimzo99
>>  MChessPro6.0
>>  Shredder2
>>  Genius5
>>
>
>
>We have a different opinion of what 'behind' means.  I dare say that Crafty
>on a couple of machines I have used in the past two years is not behind _any_
>of those.  IE last year a 21164 X 16 running at 7M nodes per second  (I was
>going to run on that box for the WCCC in Paderborn if I could have worked out
>details to get there.)  Crafty on a 21264/750 will probably do about 20M nodes
>per second.  If you think it is 'behind' given the right hardware, if you see a
>bright light in your rear-view, you had better get _out_ of the way.  Not fair?
>Says who?  I spent a year getting the SMP search to work.  So I consider that to
>be fair game.
>
>
>
>
>>
>>As a measure of how much it is behind I would say that in my opinion it is at
>>least 100 elo points behind.
>>
>>That's HUGE.
>>
>>That's why I think Tiger on a PII-400 would stand Crafty on Quad-Xeon.
>>Unfortunately I have only a K6-2-300, so I'll have to try the experiment (if Bob
>>agrees) with a 4x handicap, which probably translates to a 120-160 elo points
>>handicap.
>>
>>Is it that distateful to point out that Crafty is so far behind?
>>
>>
>>
>>    Christophe
>
>
>We need two tests:  A significant crafty vs tiger match.  Then a significant
>computer vs a couple of good GM matches.  You will find "cptnbluebear" _not_ to
>your liking.  I _know_ how I do against the strong humans.  I don't worry about
>how I do against computers.  The GM comparison would be an interesting test.  We
>could probably get him to play two game matches all day one day, 2 vs you, 2
>vs me, over and over...  He _loves_ to do that.

im telling you guys a match like this would be almost pay per view status . if
crafty and tiger scrap it out i really want to watch!!!!



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