Author: walter irvin
Date: 13:59:16 11/01/99
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On October 31, 1999 at 22:11:12, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On October 31, 1999 at 18:10:33, Christophe Theron wrote: > >>On October 31, 1999 at 04:04:41, Peter McKenzie wrote: >> >>>On October 31, 1999 at 02:28:52, Christophe Theron wrote: >>> >>>>On October 31, 1999 at 00:02:37, Peter McKenzie wrote: >>>> >>>>>On October 30, 1999 at 17:52:02, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>>> >> >>(snip) >> >>>>>>I would not be surprised if Chess Tiger 12.0 on PII-300 was able to stand Crafty >>>>>>on a Quad-Xeon. After all that would only be a 4x speed advantage for Crafty. :) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>You talk the talk, but can you walk the walk? >>>>>I'll look forward to seeing tiger on ICC. >>>> >>>>I'll do when I have some free time. >>>> >>>>Is there something in what I say you don't find reasonnable? >>> >>>To be honest I find the tone of your post somewhat distasteful. >> >> >>Really Peter? >> >>Probably you have missed the recent cute exchange between Bob and Amir? Bob >>using words like "full of snot". >> >>If you find my message "distasteful" I'm wondering what you would have said >>about Bob's. >> >>You missed it, did you? >> > > > >Nope.. _you_ missed it here. Amir directly implied that I am a liar. I >responded. back up and read again. It is there in black in white. > > > >>What I wanted to point out in my message is that Crafty, that some are taking as >>a reference, is YEARS BEHIND the top programs. >> >>Not only behind Tiger in fact. I'm pretty sure you can repeat the same >>experiment with the top commercial programs, namely: >> >> Fritz5.32 >> Rebel10 >> Hiarcs7.32 >> Junior5.0 >> Nimzo99 >> MChessPro6.0 >> Shredder2 >> Genius5 >> > > >We have a different opinion of what 'behind' means. I dare say that Crafty >on a couple of machines I have used in the past two years is not behind _any_ >of those. IE last year a 21164 X 16 running at 7M nodes per second (I was >going to run on that box for the WCCC in Paderborn if I could have worked out >details to get there.) Crafty on a 21264/750 will probably do about 20M nodes >per second. If you think it is 'behind' given the right hardware, if you see a >bright light in your rear-view, you had better get _out_ of the way. Not fair? >Says who? I spent a year getting the SMP search to work. So I consider that to >be fair game. > > > > >> >>As a measure of how much it is behind I would say that in my opinion it is at >>least 100 elo points behind. >> >>That's HUGE. >> >>That's why I think Tiger on a PII-400 would stand Crafty on Quad-Xeon. >>Unfortunately I have only a K6-2-300, so I'll have to try the experiment (if Bob >>agrees) with a 4x handicap, which probably translates to a 120-160 elo points >>handicap. >> >>Is it that distateful to point out that Crafty is so far behind? >> >> >> >> Christophe > > >We need two tests: A significant crafty vs tiger match. Then a significant >computer vs a couple of good GM matches. You will find "cptnbluebear" _not_ to >your liking. I _know_ how I do against the strong humans. I don't worry about >how I do against computers. The GM comparison would be an interesting test. We >could probably get him to play two game matches all day one day, 2 vs you, 2 >vs me, over and over... He _loves_ to do that. im telling you guys a match like this would be almost pay per view status . if crafty and tiger scrap it out i really want to watch!!!!
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