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Subject: Re: How can we ever have Regular(non GM)tourneys on the net when comps exist

Author: James T. Walker

Date: 17:25:27 11/01/99

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On November 01, 1999 at 20:13:09, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On November 01, 1999 at 19:56:01, Charles Unruh wrote:
>
>>How can we ever have Regular(non GM)tourneys on the net when comps exist.
>>People are always talking about how the internet is the future of chess.
>>However how can anyone reasonably trust ones opponents.  They can use books,
>>computers, even assistance from stronger players.  I'm cheated on so much on the
>>net that i don't even play on ICC or FICS, i just look.  Besides from what i can
>>see playing many blitz games does NOTHING to improve your game.  For example
>>Mindman on FICS a real life 1600 uscf player when he started on fics 3 or 43
>>years ago.  Around the time he started he maintained a 1600-1750 internet
>>rating, now after 13000 games! his rating has dropped to 1300(steady) internet.
>>This guy is actually a PH.D so it's not because he's a moron either
>It seems that the possible explanation you are looking for is computer cheaters.
> This is one possible explanation.  It is also true that players abiltity tends
>to degrade somewhat over time.  In any case, you can only improve your game by
>playing against better players.  I think computer cheating is pretty bizarre,
>since the rating means nothing anyway.  Suppose you played against nothing but
>deep blue, disguised as "patzer_player" elo 1000.  Of course, you would get
>whupped again and again, but the powerful engine would reveal the weaknesses in
>your game.  So even then there is a hidden benefit.
>
>I don't think that the internet is going to replace OTB tournaments.  I don't
>think anybody believes that.  But it is a good place to find a fun game, isn't
>it?  And if you play against a cheater, that's just part of the risk.  They have
>sold their integrity for the hollowest imaginable victory -- a fake rating that
>does not even matter.


Exactly Dan,
I play on the internet just for the fun of playing.  I don't like to be cheated
but the point is to keep playing and keep trying to improve.  Sometimes I even
surprise myself and play a nice game.  Those few times make me happy and keep me
going back for more.
Jim Walker



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