Author: Charles Unruh
Date: 17:35:05 11/01/99
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On November 01, 1999 at 20:13:09, Dann Corbit wrote: >On November 01, 1999 at 19:56:01, Charles Unruh wrote: > >>How can we ever have Regular(non GM)tourneys on the net when comps exist. >>People are always talking about how the internet is the future of chess. >>However how can anyone reasonably trust ones opponents. They can use books, >>computers, even assistance from stronger players. I'm cheated on so much on the >>net that i don't even play on ICC or FICS, i just look. Besides from what i can >>see playing many blitz games does NOTHING to improve your game. For example >>Mindman on FICS a real life 1600 uscf player when he started on fics 3 or 43 >>years ago. Around the time he started he maintained a 1600-1750 internet >>rating, now after 13000 games! his rating has dropped to 1300(steady) internet. >>This guy is actually a PH.D so it's not because he's a moron either >It seems that the possible explanation you are looking for is computer cheaters. > This is one possible explanation. Actually i wasn't relating that to cheating, just that playing tons of games doesn't necessarily improve your game. It is also true that players abiltity tends >to degrade somewhat over time. In any case, you can only improve your game by >playing against better players. I think computer cheating is pretty bizarre, >since the rating means nothing anyway. Suppose you played against nothing but >deep blue, disguised as "patzer_player" elo 1000. Of course, you would get >whupped again and again, but the powerful engine would reveal the weaknesses in >your game. As for reveling the weakness of your game, it could however and unfortunately this is rarely the case, for the strange reason is that on icc amd even in real life bad play is frequently rewarded with WINS, thus since it is extremely rare that people really get down and analyse their game, the pattern of bad play frequently continues and becomes engrained in the thought processes resulting in a 1600 player losing 300 points after playing 13000 games. So even then there is a hidden benefit. > >I don't think that the internet is going to replace OTB tournaments. I don't think it should either but that is just what MANY claim. I don't >think anybody believes that. But it is a good place to find a fun game, isn't >it? And if you play against a cheater, that's just part of the risk. They have >sold their integrity for the hollowest imaginable victory -- a fake rating that >does not even matter. Fake rating matters to the people who are cheating. I HATE to do it, but i reffer to Robert Hyatt, i was once asking something about why would a GM care about an internet rating, and the answer was something to the effect that "They do". So saying that an internet rating means nothing to you has no bearing on what it means to someone else regardless of how they get it. About 4 years ago a friend of mine created an account on fics, cheated to get the rating up to 2600, then played a bunch of games against himself as an unregistered player to wipe out all signs of the games that had been played so that no one could test for computer play. He still logs on as the 2600 player from time to time as this unknown 2600 player and BASKS in the glory and he feels great!
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