Author: blass uri
Date: 05:20:24 11/02/99
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On November 02, 1999 at 00:21:48, Charles Unruh wrote: >On November 01, 1999 at 23:04:01, Bruce Moreland wrote: > >>On November 01, 1999 at 19:56:01, Charles Unruh wrote: >> >>>How can we ever have Regular(non GM)tourneys on the net when comps exist. >>>People are always talking about how the internet is the future of chess. >>>However how can anyone reasonably trust ones opponents. They can use books, >>>computers, even assistance from stronger players. I'm cheated on so much on the >>>net that i don't even play on ICC or FICS, i just look. Besides from what i can >>>see playing many blitz games does NOTHING to improve your game. For example >>>Mindman on FICS a real life 1600 uscf player when he started on fics 3 or 43 >>>years ago. Around the time he started he maintained a 1600-1750 internet >>>rating, now after 13000 games! his rating has dropped to 1300(steady) internet. >>>This guy is actually a PH.D so it's not because he's a moron either >> >>You can't, because people will cheat. You can't have a "club" chess tournament >>over the net for the same reason that you can't do random drug testing through >>the mail. > >People use Chessmaster to cheat at 3 0, they just shrink down the interface to >what CM calls micro chess and play. Programs such as shredder are also used by >just shrinking the window, so the player/cheater can see the icc board and the >computer board simultaneously. Progs such as j5/f5/and chessbase engines >proabably most commonly used for 5 0 or faster because the cheater would have to >toggle between screens(because F5 and the like take up the whole screen). >> >>If you want to play chess on ICC, play quick games with people of about your >>rating level, and if you lose, simply play another one, and if you lose several, >>play someone else. It takes a pretty weird computer operator to get a rating >>that approximates a club players, so as long as you play a bunch of people, the >>odds that you'll get a computer are fairly small. >> > >No why their ratings are low is because of this. You have player who feels good >at 1800 whose actual strength is about 1600. He cheats until he gets his ego >rating of 1800 and then he plays on his own, loses the points then cheats them >back, loses the points then cheats them back and so on, and so on. There are >also people who just use comps on some moves of a game but not all. These >players do not have high ratings but they still are there cheating you. >>When I play "human" chess on the servers, which is not very often, I play 2 8 or >>5 0 and I've never encountered a computer. >> >I've encountered at least 100 > >>I think that playing would improve your ability if you were intested in having >>it improve. > >People are interested in having it improve, they just don't realize that icc >blitz isn't improving their chess. You can find countless of examples of >players who have played 10,000+games whose strength actually decreases. If you want to improve in chess then I suggest that you play more serious games against programs at home and after you lose you can analyze the games to see your mistakes. Another idea is to try to look for all the possible legal moves in the first ply like a computer. a common mistake of weak players is not to see a possible move of themselves or a possible move of the opponent that you need to search only one ply or one ply after your move to see. In blitz you cannot do it but at tournament time control you have enough time to do it for the first ply(If you assume using 1 second to examine a legal move you can use 60 seconds to look at all the possible legal moves of yourself and of your opponent assuming there are 30 legal moves in the position and you have 3 minutes/move at tournament time control). Uri
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