Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 19:44:37 11/02/99
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On November 02, 1999 at 16:09:14, Andrew Dados wrote:
>Thanks for that post. I thought I may be biased, but shows up others had pretty
>much same feelings :)
> Few more thing which strike me is: why Ed, Christophe, also Chessbase family of
>programs are so reluctant to put their programs automatic on icc and test them
>in 'real chess club' environment (with exception of Junior ('ban') which is
>still manual though... maybe it crashes too much to go automatic as ICC gossip
>say ). It's some 4 hours of interfacing engine to winboard...
The new product "REBEL-TIGER" (Chess Tiger 12.0) in its Windows interface will
be able to connect to ICC, and as soon as it is ready and well tested I'll open
an ICC account.
Interfacing Tiger with Winboard is certainly as easy as interfacing Tiger with
Auto232, isn't it?
Well I'm fighting since more than one year to make Auto232 work right in my
program. Some initially told me it was not more than 2 hours of work.
Yes, of course! :)
I'm such a bad programmer that I'll not interface with ICC or Winboard myself.
The Windows GUI knows how to do that very well, so I know that Tiger will be
able to do it very soon.
> As of Tiger being so much better then Crafty:
>
>Information about tol4511(C) (Last disconnected Mon Nov 01 1999 19:23):
>
> rating [need] win loss draw total best
>Blitz 2222 91 98 6 195 2293 (31-Aug-1999)
>Standard 2388 281 685 100 1066 2471 (11-Sep-1999)
>
> 1: rebel10c or system tiger
> 2: PIII 450
>
> If you say icc rating is meaningless - stop those meaningless whining about
>'Ban over Crafty'. If you say it means something - then consider that most
>(all?) ICC Chess Master accounts have blitz rating in the range of 2700+; also
>check ICC standard 'best C' list to get idea what is standard rating of other
>commercial programs run manual on ICC (and crafties)... While all this data
>compromises of hundreds of games it's way more comprehensive to me then some 10
>game match - yet 10 game match brings out huge thread here...
You didn't follow the discussion very well. The match between Tiger and Crafty
was a 80 games match.
First match was Tiger on PII-300 against Crafty on PIII-500. 40 games have been
played, Tiger won.
Second match was Tiger PII-300 without permanent brain against Crafty PIII-500
with permanent brain, 40 games once again. Tiger won this match too, though I
would admit that it was very close to 50%-50%.
>If you find that post biased... that is only to balance things out a bit :)
I'm sorry, but "Rebel10c or system Tiger" is NOT Chess Tiger. I don't know what
it is exactly (do you have the name of the operator, can you ask him?), but I
assume this is Rebel 10 with "system Tiger" option ON.
The "system Tiger" option in Rebel 10 is not the Rebel engine, but just a switch
you can turn ON or OFF in Rebel. It has been introduced last year and is well
known here on CCC as it has been discussed a long time ago. But the program is
Rebel, not Tiger.
About your "real chess club" remark: Tiger has been developped by playing
hundreds of game in my chess club, here in Guadeloupe. This began back in 1994
and has always been a very good stress test. I have always used slow computers
(286-12MHz then 386sx-20MHz), and it helped me a lot to improve the program,
because the players are very good at learning the program's weaknesses quickly
and take advantage of them.
I'm not rich enough to spend hours connected on the Internet (in my country it's
very expensive). So I have never been on ICC. I'm willing to try a match against
Crafty on its Quad-Xeon, so I'm going to open an account soon.
I'll do that as soon as the commercial version with its Windows GUI is ready and
well tested. Stay tuned.
Christophe
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