Author: James Swafford
Date: 15:29:53 11/05/99
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On November 05, 1999 at 17:40:59, Amir Ban wrote:
>
>One benefit of the ban-crafty debate of a few days ago is that I learned how to
>use the ICC 'search' command and discovered that it gives much more information
>than I thought it did.
>
>I went looking for the game in which crafty timed out when ban had insufficient
>material. I found it, very easily, and it's listed below. It took place on
>October 7th, i.e. 4 weeks ago.
>
>If you add up the crafty times (or easier, use ICC 'examine'), you will see that
>crafty had 2:19 minutes on the last move, but did not make a move till time ran
>out.
>
>The first reaction to this by Bob & others was that I was making this up. The
>second reaction was that crafty crashed or hung, so I looked for the game crafty
>played next, and I discovered that ban started another game with crafty 15
>minutes after this game started, meaning immediately after this game ended. So
>crafty did not crash or hang.
I've seen instances like this with my own program. It's not that
it crashed or hung, but that for whatever reason Winboard didn't
accept my program's move, so eventually the flag fell and it lost
on time. Afterward, Winboard immediately sent out the 'gameend'
alias to the server, which sent ads for three different time controls.
As soon as one was accepted the program resumed play from the start
position. No crash, no hang. At least not on my program's part.
James Robertson has experienced similar problems with Winboard.
He posted a portion of the debug file a few weeks ago.
Hopefully he forwarded it on to Tim, but I'm not sure if he
did.
Isn't it possible that the same thing happened to Crafty?
I understand your point, but I really don't think Bob would
write code to do this intentionally.
I think that if all concerned parties looked at this objectively,
without the accusations and finger pointing, some resolution
could be made. It's a shame to see things come to this.
Just my $.02. :-)
--
James
>
>I include below the ICC commands I typed in (in quotes), and the ICC output
>including the game moves & information.
>
>I tried messaging Bob on ICC to tell him that, but this is impossible as he's
>censoring me. I assume he has interest in this.
>
>Amir
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>"sea crafty ban mode=tm"
>Your search found 3 games: [0 3 0 = (white win,draw,black win)]
>"smoves 0"
>
>ban (3099) vs. crafty (3086) --- 1999.10.07 19:24:53
>Rated blitz match, initial time: 5 minutes, increment: 3 seconds
>
>Move ban crafty
>---- ---------------- ----------------
> 1. c4 (0:05) e5 (0:01)
> 2. g3 (0:06) Nf6 (0:00)
> 3. Bg2 (0:03) d5 (0:00)
> 4. cxd5 (0:03) Nxd5 (0:00)
> 5. Nc3 (0:03) Nb6 (0:00)
> 6. Nf3 (0:04) Nc6 (0:00)
> 7. O-O (0:03) Be7 (0:00)
> 8. Rb1 (0:04) O-O (0:00)
> 9. b4 (0:04) a6 (0:00)
> 10. a4 (0:03) Bf5 (0:00)
> 11. e4 (0:10) Bg4 (0:16)
> 12. a5 (0:04) Nd7 (0:09)
> 13. Nd5 (0:09) Nf6 (0:21)
> 14. Qb3 (0:05) Nxd5 (0:12)
> 15. exd5 (0:14) Bxf3 (0:22)
> 16. Qxf3 (0:04) Nxb4 (0:06)
> 17. Qe4 (0:09) c5 (0:11)
> 18. dxc6 (0:03) Nxc6 (0:11)
> 19. Rxb7 (0:04) Nxa5 (0:06)
> 20. Rb1 (0:04) Rb8 (0:06)
> 21. Rxb8 (0:11) Qxb8 (0:00)
> 22. d4 (0:14) Bd6 (0:00)
> 23. dxe5 (0:08) Bxe5 (0:02)
> 24. Re1 (0:16) Bc3 (0:00)
> 25. Rd1 (0:11) Re8 (0:11)
> 26. Qd3 (0:08) Qb3 (0:01)
> 27. Be3 (0:05) Bf6 (0:10)
> 28. Qd7 (0:04) Qe6 (0:10)
> 29. Bf1 (0:09) Qxd7 (0:10)
> 30. Rxd7 (0:04) Nc6 (0:06)
> 31. Rb7 (0:04) Bd4 (0:10)
> 32. Bxd4 (0:04) Nxd4 (0:10)
> 33. Bxa6 (0:04) Kf8 (0:05)
> 34. Kg2 (0:04) g6 (0:05)
> 35. Rd7 (0:08) Nc2 (0:01)
> 36. g4 (0:08) Re7 (0:00)
> 37. Rd2 (0:06) Nb4 (0:03)
> 38. Bb5 (0:04) Re5 (0:04)
> 39. Bc4 (0:12) Rc5 (0:10)
> 40. Be2 (0:04) Rd5 (0:04)
> 41. Rxd5 (0:08) Nxd5 (0:00)
> 42. Kg3 (0:03) g5 (0:10)
> 43. h4 (0:08) Nf4 (0:01)
> 44. Bf1 (0:04) h6 (0:09)
> 45. Kf3 (0:03) Ke7 (0:04)
> 46. Ke4 (0:06) Kf6 (0:07)
> 47. h5 (0:03) Ke6 (0:04)
> 48. Bc4+ (0:05) Kf6 (0:03)
> 49. f3 (0:03) Ne6 (0:04)
> 50. Kd5 (0:06) Nf4+ (0:09)
> 51. Kd6 (0:03) Ne6 (0:08)
> 52. Ba2 (0:04) Nd4 (0:08)
> 53. Bd5 (0:06) Nb5+ (0:02)
> 54. Kd7 (0:13) Ke5 (0:08)
> 55. Bb7 (0:04) Nd6 (0:08)
> 56. Ba6 (0:07) f5 (0:00)
> 57. Ke7 (0:04) fxg4 (0:05)
> 58. fxg4 (0:04) Ne4 (0:03)
> 59. Kf7 (0:03) Kf4 (0:09)
> 60. Kg6 (0:07) Kxg4 (0:09)
> 61. Kxh6 (0:03) Ng3 (0:03)
> 62. Bc4 (0:03) Nxh5 (0:10)
> 63. Be2+ (0:06)
> {Black ran out of time and White has no material to mate} 1/2-1/2
>
>"sea crafty ban"
>Your search found 872 games: [376 181 315 = (white win,draw,black win)]
>[Type "more" to see more.]
>"smoves 50"
>
>crafty (3087) vs. ban (3098) --- 1999.10.07 19:40:27
>Rated blitz match, initial time: 5 minutes, increment: 3 seconds
>
>Move crafty ban
>---- ---------------- ----------------
> 1. e4 (0:04) c5 (0:04)
> 2. Nf3 (0:00) g6 (0:03)
> 3. d4 (0:00) cxd4 (0:04)
> 4. Nxd4 (0:00) Bg7 (0:04)
> 5. Nc3 (0:00) Nc6 (0:04)
> 6. Be3 (0:00) Nf6 (0:04)
> 7. Nxc6 (0:00) bxc6 (0:09)
> 8. e5 (0:00) Ng8 (0:08)
> 9. Bd4 (0:00) Rb8 (0:08)
> 10. Rb1 (0:35) Qa5 (0:05)
> 11. e6 (0:09) Bf6 (0:59)
> 12. exf7+ (0:12) Kxf7 (0:07)
> 13. Bc4+ (0:03) d5 (0:10)
> 14. Bb3 (0:15) Bf5 (0:05)
> 15. O-O (0:11) e5 (0:05)
> 16. Be3 (0:05) Kg7 (0:06)
> 17. Ne2 (0:03) a6 (0:08)
> 18. Ng3 (0:11) Ne7 (0:05)
> 19. Qe2 (0:10) e4 (0:08)
> 20. Rfe1 (0:18) Rhf8 (0:06)
> 21. c4 (0:17) Rfd8 (0:11)
> 22. Bf4 (0:09) Ra8 (0:08)
> 23. Rbc1 (0:00) Rd7 (0:08)
> 24. Red1 (0:09) Rad8 (0:08)
> 25. Bd2 (0:09) Qb6 (0:09)
> 26. Qe1 (0:01) Bd4 (0:09)
> 27. Kf1 (0:15) Qa7 (0:11)
> 28. Ba5 (0:08) Bb6 (0:10)
> 29. Bxb6 (0:00) Qxb6 (0:05)
> 30. Kg1 (0:03) Bg4 (0:08)
> 31. Rd2 (0:01) h5 (0:11)
> 32. Bd1 (0:13) Bf5 (0:09)
> 33. Bb3 (0:02) Kh7 (0:08)
> 34. Ba4 (0:09) Rc7 (0:11)
> 35. Bc2 (0:00) Bd7 (0:06)
> 36. Bb3 (0:08) h4 (0:10)
> 37. Ne2 (0:08) Bf5 (0:06)
> 38. Nd4 (0:02) h3 (0:06)
> 39. gxh3 (0:01) Rf8 (0:03)
> 40. Rc3 (0:08) a5 (0:07)
> 41. h4 (0:08) Bg4 (0:06)
> 42. Rg3 (0:08) Bf5 (0:04)
> 43. Qe2 (0:08) Rf6 (0:07)
> 44. h5 (0:08) Rd7 (0:05)
> 45. Rg5 (0:07) Rd8 (0:06)
> 46. Qe3 (0:08) Bc8 (0:06)
> 47. hxg6+ (0:07) Rxg6 (0:08)
> 48. Rxg6 (0:01) Nxg6 (0:03)
> 49. cxd5 (0:03) cxd5 (0:03)
> 50. Qg5 (0:03) Kg7 (0:08)
> 51. Bxd5 (0:07) Qf6 (0:08)
> 52. Qxf6+ (0:07) Kxf6 (0:03)
> 53. Bxe4 (0:03) Nf4 (0:04)
> 54. Nf3 (0:04) Re8 (0:06)
> 55. Bc6 (0:00) Rg8+ (0:05)
> 56. Kh1 (0:01) Nh3 (0:04)
> 57. b3 (0:07) Ba6 (0:04)
> 58. Bd5 (0:07) Rg4 (0:04)
> 59. Bc6 (0:02) Bf1 (0:04)
> 60. Rd6+ (0:01) Ke7 (0:04)
> 61. Rd7+ (0:07) Kf8 (0:03)
> 62. Rd8+ (0:03) Kg7 (0:03)
> 63. Rd7+ (0:06) Kf8 (0:03)
> 64. Rd8+ (0:07) Kg7 (0:03)
> 65. Rd7+ (0:05) Kh6 (0:03)
> 66. Rd6+ (0:06) Kg7 (0:03)
> 67. Rd7+ (0:02)
> {Game drawn by repetition} 1/2-1/2
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