Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 21:16:20 11/05/99
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On November 05, 1999 at 17:40:59, Amir Ban wrote:
>
>One benefit of the ban-crafty debate of a few days ago is that I learned how to
>use the ICC 'search' command and discovered that it gives much more information
>than I thought it did.
>
>I went looking for the game in which crafty timed out when ban had insufficient
>material. I found it, very easily, and it's listed below. It took place on
>October 7th, i.e. 4 weeks ago.
>
>If you add up the crafty times (or easier, use ICC 'examine'), you will see that
>crafty had 2:19 minutes on the last move, but did not make a move till time ran
>out.
>
>The first reaction to this by Bob & others was that I was making this up. The
>second reaction was that crafty crashed or hung, so I looked for the game crafty
>played next, and I discovered that ban started another game with crafty 15
>minutes after this game started, meaning immediately after this game ended. So
>crafty did not crash or hang.
>
If you only knew 1/2 as much as you _think_ you know. I could easily post
the end of the log file so you could see why it hung, but that isn't the
point. You _know_ it didn't hang. Because it played another game. Even though
after _every_ game using xboard, crafty gets started over from scratch, because
of this _very_ reason, otherwise it would just flag game after game after game.
But of course, as always, you _know_ what is going on. So have it your way.
It loves to aggravate other programs and humans, and so lets the clock run
out rather than offering a draw. Or rather than resigning.
After all, you _know_ "everything"...
Hint: look in the xboard documentation and tell me what this command says:
xboard -icshelper /usr/bin/timestamp -xanimate -geometry +0+0 -reuseChessProgram
false -ics -zp -autoflag -icshost 204.178.125.65 -fcp "crafty" -size small -ini
tString ""
In particular, the -reuseChessProgram false section.
Then tell me how much you "know"...
>I include below the ICC commands I typed in (in quotes), and the ICC output
>including the game moves & information.
>
>I tried messaging Bob on ICC to tell him that, but this is impossible as he's
>censoring me. I assume he has interest in this.
>
>
You pretty much assume right. for obvious reasons.
Amir
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>"sea crafty ban mode=tm"
>Your search found 3 games: [0 3 0 = (white win,draw,black win)]
>"smoves 0"
>
>ban (3099) vs. crafty (3086) --- 1999.10.07 19:24:53
>Rated blitz match, initial time: 5 minutes, increment: 3 seconds
>
>Move ban crafty
>---- ---------------- ----------------
> 1. c4 (0:05) e5 (0:01)
> 2. g3 (0:06) Nf6 (0:00)
> 3. Bg2 (0:03) d5 (0:00)
> 4. cxd5 (0:03) Nxd5 (0:00)
> 5. Nc3 (0:03) Nb6 (0:00)
> 6. Nf3 (0:04) Nc6 (0:00)
> 7. O-O (0:03) Be7 (0:00)
> 8. Rb1 (0:04) O-O (0:00)
> 9. b4 (0:04) a6 (0:00)
> 10. a4 (0:03) Bf5 (0:00)
> 11. e4 (0:10) Bg4 (0:16)
> 12. a5 (0:04) Nd7 (0:09)
> 13. Nd5 (0:09) Nf6 (0:21)
> 14. Qb3 (0:05) Nxd5 (0:12)
> 15. exd5 (0:14) Bxf3 (0:22)
> 16. Qxf3 (0:04) Nxb4 (0:06)
> 17. Qe4 (0:09) c5 (0:11)
> 18. dxc6 (0:03) Nxc6 (0:11)
> 19. Rxb7 (0:04) Nxa5 (0:06)
> 20. Rb1 (0:04) Rb8 (0:06)
> 21. Rxb8 (0:11) Qxb8 (0:00)
> 22. d4 (0:14) Bd6 (0:00)
> 23. dxe5 (0:08) Bxe5 (0:02)
> 24. Re1 (0:16) Bc3 (0:00)
> 25. Rd1 (0:11) Re8 (0:11)
> 26. Qd3 (0:08) Qb3 (0:01)
> 27. Be3 (0:05) Bf6 (0:10)
> 28. Qd7 (0:04) Qe6 (0:10)
> 29. Bf1 (0:09) Qxd7 (0:10)
> 30. Rxd7 (0:04) Nc6 (0:06)
> 31. Rb7 (0:04) Bd4 (0:10)
> 32. Bxd4 (0:04) Nxd4 (0:10)
> 33. Bxa6 (0:04) Kf8 (0:05)
> 34. Kg2 (0:04) g6 (0:05)
> 35. Rd7 (0:08) Nc2 (0:01)
> 36. g4 (0:08) Re7 (0:00)
> 37. Rd2 (0:06) Nb4 (0:03)
> 38. Bb5 (0:04) Re5 (0:04)
> 39. Bc4 (0:12) Rc5 (0:10)
> 40. Be2 (0:04) Rd5 (0:04)
> 41. Rxd5 (0:08) Nxd5 (0:00)
> 42. Kg3 (0:03) g5 (0:10)
> 43. h4 (0:08) Nf4 (0:01)
> 44. Bf1 (0:04) h6 (0:09)
> 45. Kf3 (0:03) Ke7 (0:04)
> 46. Ke4 (0:06) Kf6 (0:07)
> 47. h5 (0:03) Ke6 (0:04)
> 48. Bc4+ (0:05) Kf6 (0:03)
> 49. f3 (0:03) Ne6 (0:04)
> 50. Kd5 (0:06) Nf4+ (0:09)
> 51. Kd6 (0:03) Ne6 (0:08)
> 52. Ba2 (0:04) Nd4 (0:08)
> 53. Bd5 (0:06) Nb5+ (0:02)
> 54. Kd7 (0:13) Ke5 (0:08)
> 55. Bb7 (0:04) Nd6 (0:08)
> 56. Ba6 (0:07) f5 (0:00)
> 57. Ke7 (0:04) fxg4 (0:05)
> 58. fxg4 (0:04) Ne4 (0:03)
> 59. Kf7 (0:03) Kf4 (0:09)
> 60. Kg6 (0:07) Kxg4 (0:09)
> 61. Kxh6 (0:03) Ng3 (0:03)
> 62. Bc4 (0:03) Nxh5 (0:10)
> 63. Be2+ (0:06)
> {Black ran out of time and White has no material to mate} 1/2-1/2
>
>"sea crafty ban"
>Your search found 872 games: [376 181 315 = (white win,draw,black win)]
>[Type "more" to see more.]
>"smoves 50"
>
>crafty (3087) vs. ban (3098) --- 1999.10.07 19:40:27
>Rated blitz match, initial time: 5 minutes, increment: 3 seconds
>
>Move crafty ban
>---- ---------------- ----------------
> 1. e4 (0:04) c5 (0:04)
> 2. Nf3 (0:00) g6 (0:03)
> 3. d4 (0:00) cxd4 (0:04)
> 4. Nxd4 (0:00) Bg7 (0:04)
> 5. Nc3 (0:00) Nc6 (0:04)
> 6. Be3 (0:00) Nf6 (0:04)
> 7. Nxc6 (0:00) bxc6 (0:09)
> 8. e5 (0:00) Ng8 (0:08)
> 9. Bd4 (0:00) Rb8 (0:08)
> 10. Rb1 (0:35) Qa5 (0:05)
> 11. e6 (0:09) Bf6 (0:59)
> 12. exf7+ (0:12) Kxf7 (0:07)
> 13. Bc4+ (0:03) d5 (0:10)
> 14. Bb3 (0:15) Bf5 (0:05)
> 15. O-O (0:11) e5 (0:05)
> 16. Be3 (0:05) Kg7 (0:06)
> 17. Ne2 (0:03) a6 (0:08)
> 18. Ng3 (0:11) Ne7 (0:05)
> 19. Qe2 (0:10) e4 (0:08)
> 20. Rfe1 (0:18) Rhf8 (0:06)
> 21. c4 (0:17) Rfd8 (0:11)
> 22. Bf4 (0:09) Ra8 (0:08)
> 23. Rbc1 (0:00) Rd7 (0:08)
> 24. Red1 (0:09) Rad8 (0:08)
> 25. Bd2 (0:09) Qb6 (0:09)
> 26. Qe1 (0:01) Bd4 (0:09)
> 27. Kf1 (0:15) Qa7 (0:11)
> 28. Ba5 (0:08) Bb6 (0:10)
> 29. Bxb6 (0:00) Qxb6 (0:05)
> 30. Kg1 (0:03) Bg4 (0:08)
> 31. Rd2 (0:01) h5 (0:11)
> 32. Bd1 (0:13) Bf5 (0:09)
> 33. Bb3 (0:02) Kh7 (0:08)
> 34. Ba4 (0:09) Rc7 (0:11)
> 35. Bc2 (0:00) Bd7 (0:06)
> 36. Bb3 (0:08) h4 (0:10)
> 37. Ne2 (0:08) Bf5 (0:06)
> 38. Nd4 (0:02) h3 (0:06)
> 39. gxh3 (0:01) Rf8 (0:03)
> 40. Rc3 (0:08) a5 (0:07)
> 41. h4 (0:08) Bg4 (0:06)
> 42. Rg3 (0:08) Bf5 (0:04)
> 43. Qe2 (0:08) Rf6 (0:07)
> 44. h5 (0:08) Rd7 (0:05)
> 45. Rg5 (0:07) Rd8 (0:06)
> 46. Qe3 (0:08) Bc8 (0:06)
> 47. hxg6+ (0:07) Rxg6 (0:08)
> 48. Rxg6 (0:01) Nxg6 (0:03)
> 49. cxd5 (0:03) cxd5 (0:03)
> 50. Qg5 (0:03) Kg7 (0:08)
> 51. Bxd5 (0:07) Qf6 (0:08)
> 52. Qxf6+ (0:07) Kxf6 (0:03)
> 53. Bxe4 (0:03) Nf4 (0:04)
> 54. Nf3 (0:04) Re8 (0:06)
> 55. Bc6 (0:00) Rg8+ (0:05)
> 56. Kh1 (0:01) Nh3 (0:04)
> 57. b3 (0:07) Ba6 (0:04)
> 58. Bd5 (0:07) Rg4 (0:04)
> 59. Bc6 (0:02) Bf1 (0:04)
> 60. Rd6+ (0:01) Ke7 (0:04)
> 61. Rd7+ (0:07) Kf8 (0:03)
> 62. Rd8+ (0:03) Kg7 (0:03)
> 63. Rd7+ (0:06) Kf8 (0:03)
> 64. Rd8+ (0:07) Kg7 (0:03)
> 65. Rd7+ (0:05) Kh6 (0:03)
> 66. Rd6+ (0:06) Kg7 (0:03)
> 67. Rd7+ (0:02)
> {Game drawn by repetition} 1/2-1/2
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