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Subject: Re: The timed-out Crafty - Ban game

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 21:16:20 11/05/99

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On November 05, 1999 at 17:40:59, Amir Ban wrote:

>
>One benefit of the ban-crafty debate of a few days ago is that I learned how to
>use the ICC 'search' command and discovered that it gives much more information
>than I thought it did.
>
>I went looking for the game in which crafty timed out when ban had insufficient
>material. I found it, very easily, and it's listed below. It took place on
>October 7th, i.e. 4 weeks ago.
>
>If you add up the crafty times (or easier, use ICC 'examine'), you will see that
>crafty had 2:19 minutes on the last move, but did not make a move till time ran
>out.
>
>The first reaction to this by Bob & others was that I was making this up. The
>second reaction was that crafty crashed or hung, so I looked for the game crafty
>played next, and I discovered that ban started another game with crafty 15
>minutes after this game started, meaning immediately after this game ended. So
>crafty did not crash or hang.
>


If you only knew 1/2 as much as you _think_ you know.  I could easily post
the end of the log file so you could see why it hung, but that isn't the
point.  You _know_ it didn't hang.  Because it played another game.  Even though
after _every_ game using xboard, crafty gets started over from scratch, because
of this _very_ reason, otherwise it would just flag game after game after game.

But of course, as always, you _know_ what is going on.  So have it your way.
It loves to aggravate other programs and humans, and so lets the clock run
out rather than offering a draw.  Or rather than resigning.

After all, you _know_ "everything"...

Hint: look in the xboard documentation and tell me what this command says:

xboard -icshelper /usr/bin/timestamp -xanimate -geometry +0+0 -reuseChessProgram
 false -ics -zp -autoflag -icshost 204.178.125.65 -fcp "crafty" -size small -ini
tString ""

In particular, the -reuseChessProgram false section.

Then tell me how much you "know"...


>I include below the ICC commands I typed in (in quotes), and the ICC output
>including the game moves & information.
>
>I tried messaging Bob on ICC to tell him that, but this is impossible as he's
>censoring me. I assume he has interest in this.
>
>

You pretty much assume right.  for obvious reasons.



Amir
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>"sea crafty ban mode=tm"
>Your search found 3 games: [0 3 0 = (white win,draw,black win)]
>"smoves 0"
>
>ban (3099) vs. crafty (3086) --- 1999.10.07 19:24:53
>Rated blitz match, initial time: 5 minutes, increment: 3 seconds
>
>Move  ban                crafty
>----  ----------------   ----------------
>  1.  c4       (0:05)    e5       (0:01)
>  2.  g3       (0:06)    Nf6      (0:00)
>  3.  Bg2      (0:03)    d5       (0:00)
>  4.  cxd5     (0:03)    Nxd5     (0:00)
>  5.  Nc3      (0:03)    Nb6      (0:00)
>  6.  Nf3      (0:04)    Nc6      (0:00)
>  7.  O-O      (0:03)    Be7      (0:00)
>  8.  Rb1      (0:04)    O-O      (0:00)
>  9.  b4       (0:04)    a6       (0:00)
> 10.  a4       (0:03)    Bf5      (0:00)
> 11.  e4       (0:10)    Bg4      (0:16)
> 12.  a5       (0:04)    Nd7      (0:09)
> 13.  Nd5      (0:09)    Nf6      (0:21)
> 14.  Qb3      (0:05)    Nxd5     (0:12)
> 15.  exd5     (0:14)    Bxf3     (0:22)
> 16.  Qxf3     (0:04)    Nxb4     (0:06)
> 17.  Qe4      (0:09)    c5       (0:11)
> 18.  dxc6     (0:03)    Nxc6     (0:11)
> 19.  Rxb7     (0:04)    Nxa5     (0:06)
> 20.  Rb1      (0:04)    Rb8      (0:06)
> 21.  Rxb8     (0:11)    Qxb8     (0:00)
> 22.  d4       (0:14)    Bd6      (0:00)
> 23.  dxe5     (0:08)    Bxe5     (0:02)
> 24.  Re1      (0:16)    Bc3      (0:00)
> 25.  Rd1      (0:11)    Re8      (0:11)
> 26.  Qd3      (0:08)    Qb3      (0:01)
> 27.  Be3      (0:05)    Bf6      (0:10)
> 28.  Qd7      (0:04)    Qe6      (0:10)
> 29.  Bf1      (0:09)    Qxd7     (0:10)
> 30.  Rxd7     (0:04)    Nc6      (0:06)
> 31.  Rb7      (0:04)    Bd4      (0:10)
> 32.  Bxd4     (0:04)    Nxd4     (0:10)
> 33.  Bxa6     (0:04)    Kf8      (0:05)
> 34.  Kg2      (0:04)    g6       (0:05)
> 35.  Rd7      (0:08)    Nc2      (0:01)
> 36.  g4       (0:08)    Re7      (0:00)
> 37.  Rd2      (0:06)    Nb4      (0:03)
> 38.  Bb5      (0:04)    Re5      (0:04)
> 39.  Bc4      (0:12)    Rc5      (0:10)
> 40.  Be2      (0:04)    Rd5      (0:04)
> 41.  Rxd5     (0:08)    Nxd5     (0:00)
> 42.  Kg3      (0:03)    g5       (0:10)
> 43.  h4       (0:08)    Nf4      (0:01)
> 44.  Bf1      (0:04)    h6       (0:09)
> 45.  Kf3      (0:03)    Ke7      (0:04)
> 46.  Ke4      (0:06)    Kf6      (0:07)
> 47.  h5       (0:03)    Ke6      (0:04)
> 48.  Bc4+     (0:05)    Kf6      (0:03)
> 49.  f3       (0:03)    Ne6      (0:04)
> 50.  Kd5      (0:06)    Nf4+     (0:09)
> 51.  Kd6      (0:03)    Ne6      (0:08)
> 52.  Ba2      (0:04)    Nd4      (0:08)
> 53.  Bd5      (0:06)    Nb5+     (0:02)
> 54.  Kd7      (0:13)    Ke5      (0:08)
> 55.  Bb7      (0:04)    Nd6      (0:08)
> 56.  Ba6      (0:07)    f5       (0:00)
> 57.  Ke7      (0:04)    fxg4     (0:05)
> 58.  fxg4     (0:04)    Ne4      (0:03)
> 59.  Kf7      (0:03)    Kf4      (0:09)
> 60.  Kg6      (0:07)    Kxg4     (0:09)
> 61.  Kxh6     (0:03)    Ng3      (0:03)
> 62.  Bc4      (0:03)    Nxh5     (0:10)
> 63.  Be2+     (0:06)
>       {Black ran out of time and White has no material to mate} 1/2-1/2
>
>"sea crafty ban"
>Your search found 872 games: [376 181 315 = (white win,draw,black win)]
>[Type "more" to see more.]
>"smoves 50"
>
>crafty (3087) vs. ban (3098) --- 1999.10.07 19:40:27
>Rated blitz match, initial time: 5 minutes, increment: 3 seconds
>
>Move  crafty             ban
>----  ----------------   ----------------
>  1.  e4       (0:04)    c5       (0:04)
>  2.  Nf3      (0:00)    g6       (0:03)
>  3.  d4       (0:00)    cxd4     (0:04)
>  4.  Nxd4     (0:00)    Bg7      (0:04)
>  5.  Nc3      (0:00)    Nc6      (0:04)
>  6.  Be3      (0:00)    Nf6      (0:04)
>  7.  Nxc6     (0:00)    bxc6     (0:09)
>  8.  e5       (0:00)    Ng8      (0:08)
>  9.  Bd4      (0:00)    Rb8      (0:08)
> 10.  Rb1      (0:35)    Qa5      (0:05)
> 11.  e6       (0:09)    Bf6      (0:59)
> 12.  exf7+    (0:12)    Kxf7     (0:07)
> 13.  Bc4+     (0:03)    d5       (0:10)
> 14.  Bb3      (0:15)    Bf5      (0:05)
> 15.  O-O      (0:11)    e5       (0:05)
> 16.  Be3      (0:05)    Kg7      (0:06)
> 17.  Ne2      (0:03)    a6       (0:08)
> 18.  Ng3      (0:11)    Ne7      (0:05)
> 19.  Qe2      (0:10)    e4       (0:08)
> 20.  Rfe1     (0:18)    Rhf8     (0:06)
> 21.  c4       (0:17)    Rfd8     (0:11)
> 22.  Bf4      (0:09)    Ra8      (0:08)
> 23.  Rbc1     (0:00)    Rd7      (0:08)
> 24.  Red1     (0:09)    Rad8     (0:08)
> 25.  Bd2      (0:09)    Qb6      (0:09)
> 26.  Qe1      (0:01)    Bd4      (0:09)
> 27.  Kf1      (0:15)    Qa7      (0:11)
> 28.  Ba5      (0:08)    Bb6      (0:10)
> 29.  Bxb6     (0:00)    Qxb6     (0:05)
> 30.  Kg1      (0:03)    Bg4      (0:08)
> 31.  Rd2      (0:01)    h5       (0:11)
> 32.  Bd1      (0:13)    Bf5      (0:09)
> 33.  Bb3      (0:02)    Kh7      (0:08)
> 34.  Ba4      (0:09)    Rc7      (0:11)
> 35.  Bc2      (0:00)    Bd7      (0:06)
> 36.  Bb3      (0:08)    h4       (0:10)
> 37.  Ne2      (0:08)    Bf5      (0:06)
> 38.  Nd4      (0:02)    h3       (0:06)
> 39.  gxh3     (0:01)    Rf8      (0:03)
> 40.  Rc3      (0:08)    a5       (0:07)
> 41.  h4       (0:08)    Bg4      (0:06)
> 42.  Rg3      (0:08)    Bf5      (0:04)
> 43.  Qe2      (0:08)    Rf6      (0:07)
> 44.  h5       (0:08)    Rd7      (0:05)
> 45.  Rg5      (0:07)    Rd8      (0:06)
> 46.  Qe3      (0:08)    Bc8      (0:06)
> 47.  hxg6+    (0:07)    Rxg6     (0:08)
> 48.  Rxg6     (0:01)    Nxg6     (0:03)
> 49.  cxd5     (0:03)    cxd5     (0:03)
> 50.  Qg5      (0:03)    Kg7      (0:08)
> 51.  Bxd5     (0:07)    Qf6      (0:08)
> 52.  Qxf6+    (0:07)    Kxf6     (0:03)
> 53.  Bxe4     (0:03)    Nf4      (0:04)
> 54.  Nf3      (0:04)    Re8      (0:06)
> 55.  Bc6      (0:00)    Rg8+     (0:05)
> 56.  Kh1      (0:01)    Nh3      (0:04)
> 57.  b3       (0:07)    Ba6      (0:04)
> 58.  Bd5      (0:07)    Rg4      (0:04)
> 59.  Bc6      (0:02)    Bf1      (0:04)
> 60.  Rd6+     (0:01)    Ke7      (0:04)
> 61.  Rd7+     (0:07)    Kf8      (0:03)
> 62.  Rd8+     (0:03)    Kg7      (0:03)
> 63.  Rd7+     (0:06)    Kf8      (0:03)
> 64.  Rd8+     (0:07)    Kg7      (0:03)
> 65.  Rd7+     (0:05)    Kh6      (0:03)
> 66.  Rd6+     (0:06)    Kg7      (0:03)
> 67.  Rd7+     (0:02)
>       {Game drawn by repetition} 1/2-1/2



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