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Subject: Re: chess programer

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 06:19:05 11/08/99

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On November 08, 1999 at 02:40:46, Dave Gomboc wrote:

>On November 07, 1999 at 21:02:40, James T. Walker wrote:
>
>>On November 07, 1999 at 17:17:18, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On November 07, 1999 at 15:58:54, odell hall wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 07, 1999 at 10:32:38, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On November 07, 1999 at 03:23:21, Lawrence S. Tamarkin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Bob, On the other hand, you could be like Bobby Fischer when asked for his list
>>>>>>of the 10 greatest player's, he was asked why he hadn't included himself on this
>>>>>>list; the answer of course was that he would best any of them, so felt it would
>>>>>>take away a placing of one of his selected 10:)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Larry T
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Nah...  I just had the opportunity to get to know everyone on my "list"
>>>>>pretty well (excepting Greenblatt although I talked to him several times
>>>>>by phone).  They are head-and-shoulders above me or anyone else I could
>>>>>think of.  :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  If they are "head and shoulders" above everyone then why haven't they produced
>>>>any quality chess programs in the last 15 years? (excluding ofcourse hsu) It
>>>>seems to me the people you list are more or less pioneers in computerchess, but
>>>>does this mean that they are the best? Because someone was first does this mean
>>>>that they are neccesarily the best? I think 1. Hsu  2. Lang 3. Jonothan Dekoning
>>>>(king engine)  3. Schroeder  is more appropriate to the question. Or would you
>>>>mind educating us specifically on what makes these people you mentioned better
>>>>than others?
>>>
>>>
>>>Nothing other than the fact that they each _dominated_ computer chess when
>>>they were active _and_ they published details about what they did.
>>>
>>>Any other questions?
>>
>>Hello Bob,
>>But wasn't that because they had access to the fastest hardware at the time and
>>there was very little competition?  The same might be said of Cray Blitz which
>>was much faster than say Sargon 2.5 on a 6502 @ 2Mhz.
>>Jim Walker
>
>"Had access"?  Greenblatt built his hardware!  So did Thompson.  So does Hsu.
>
>Dave


MacHack wasn't "built".  It ran on a DEC PDP-10, a typical time-sharing computer
system in the middle-to-late 60's.  It was written in assembly language.  And it
didn't have any special purpose hardware until they built the "CHEOPS" add-on
in the late 70's...



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