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Subject: Re: chess programer

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 06:20:51 11/08/99

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On November 08, 1999 at 04:06:46, blass uri wrote:

>On November 08, 1999 at 02:40:46, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>
>>On November 07, 1999 at 21:02:40, James T. Walker wrote:
>>
>>>On November 07, 1999 at 17:17:18, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 07, 1999 at 15:58:54, odell hall wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On November 07, 1999 at 10:32:38, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On November 07, 1999 at 03:23:21, Lawrence S. Tamarkin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Bob, On the other hand, you could be like Bobby Fischer when asked for his list
>>>>>>>of the 10 greatest player's, he was asked why he hadn't included himself on this
>>>>>>>list; the answer of course was that he would best any of them, so felt it would
>>>>>>>take away a placing of one of his selected 10:)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Larry T
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nah...  I just had the opportunity to get to know everyone on my "list"
>>>>>>pretty well (excepting Greenblatt although I talked to him several times
>>>>>>by phone).  They are head-and-shoulders above me or anyone else I could
>>>>>>think of.  :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  If they are "head and shoulders" above everyone then why haven't they produced
>>>>>any quality chess programs in the last 15 years? (excluding ofcourse hsu) It
>>>>>seems to me the people you list are more or less pioneers in computerchess, but
>>>>>does this mean that they are the best? Because someone was first does this mean
>>>>>that they are neccesarily the best? I think 1. Hsu  2. Lang 3. Jonothan Dekoning
>>>>>(king engine)  3. Schroeder  is more appropriate to the question. Or would you
>>>>>mind educating us specifically on what makes these people you mentioned better
>>>>>than others?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Nothing other than the fact that they each _dominated_ computer chess when
>>>>they were active _and_ they published details about what they did.
>>>>
>>>>Any other questions?
>>>
>>>Hello Bob,
>>>But wasn't that because they had access to the fastest hardware at the time and
>>>there was very little competition?  The same might be said of Cray Blitz which
>>>was much faster than say Sargon 2.5 on a 6502 @ 2Mhz.
>>>Jim Walker
>>
>>"Had access"?  Greenblatt built his hardware!  So did Thompson.  So does Hsu.
>
>Do you say that they did not have access to some secret knowledge how to build
>the hardware?
>
>Uri

Nope... the 'knowledge' was available in _any_ electrical engineering program
at any university with an engineering program.  Nothing 'secret' at all.  And
they even revealed _exactly_ what they did, after they did it.  Ken talked
about his "PLA(FPGA)" implementation several times.



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