Author: James T. Walker
Date: 06:44:14 11/08/99
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On November 08, 1999 at 02:40:46, Dave Gomboc wrote: >On November 07, 1999 at 21:02:40, James T. Walker wrote: > >>On November 07, 1999 at 17:17:18, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On November 07, 1999 at 15:58:54, odell hall wrote: >>> >>>>On November 07, 1999 at 10:32:38, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 07, 1999 at 03:23:21, Lawrence S. Tamarkin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Bob, On the other hand, you could be like Bobby Fischer when asked for his list >>>>>>of the 10 greatest player's, he was asked why he hadn't included himself on this >>>>>>list; the answer of course was that he would best any of them, so felt it would >>>>>>take away a placing of one of his selected 10:) >>>>>> >>>>>>Larry T >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Nah... I just had the opportunity to get to know everyone on my "list" >>>>>pretty well (excepting Greenblatt although I talked to him several times >>>>>by phone). They are head-and-shoulders above me or anyone else I could >>>>>think of. :) >>>> >>>> >>>> If they are "head and shoulders" above everyone then why haven't they produced >>>>any quality chess programs in the last 15 years? (excluding ofcourse hsu) It >>>>seems to me the people you list are more or less pioneers in computerchess, but >>>>does this mean that they are the best? Because someone was first does this mean >>>>that they are neccesarily the best? I think 1. Hsu 2. Lang 3. Jonothan Dekoning >>>>(king engine) 3. Schroeder is more appropriate to the question. Or would you >>>>mind educating us specifically on what makes these people you mentioned better >>>>than others? >>> >>> >>>Nothing other than the fact that they each _dominated_ computer chess when >>>they were active _and_ they published details about what they did. >>> >>>Any other questions? >> >>Hello Bob, >>But wasn't that because they had access to the fastest hardware at the time and >>there was very little competition? The same might be said of Cray Blitz which >>was much faster than say Sargon 2.5 on a 6502 @ 2Mhz. >>Jim Walker > >"Had access"? Greenblatt built his hardware! So did Thompson. So does Hsu. > >Dave Hello Dave, Well of course it's important where they got their hardware too. The fact that they built the fast hardware means they made an even greater contribution than just writing the programs. That doesn't detract from the fact that this "Special" hardware that Thompson made didn't help him to be better than a lot of programs that did not have access to that kind of speed. Actually I think Ken did not build his hardware; A friend built it to his requirements if I rember correctly. Of course having the facilities of Bell Laboratories at your disposal does not hurt either. There is no doubt about the contributions of the people that Bob mentions though. They were all pioneers in the infancy of Chess Programming. Jim Walker
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