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Subject: Re: Who is the real NPS champion?

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 21:16:39 11/09/99

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On November 09, 1999 at 23:12:05, blass uri wrote:
>On November 09, 1999 at 19:41:02, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>On November 09, 1999 at 10:51:00, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>[snip]
>>>It's indeed more complex than that. Set [Chessknowledge = 500] and NPS
>>>will go down, set [Selective Search = 001] and NPS will drop even more.
>>>
>>>Changing one parameter in Rebel (which isn't available for the user) and
>>>NPS will go up with a factor 3-4 which means Rebel would go over 1,000,000
>>>NPS on a fast PC.
>>>
>>>The bottom line is that NPS (like ply-depth) is pretty meaningless.
>>I think that ply depth is an excellent indicator of understanding of the
>>position unless the program has bugs.  That is to say, if one program finds a
>>best move at ply 10, so will the other most of the time.
>
>No because the extensions are not the same.
>Chessmaster6000 often can see at depth 3 things that other programs cannot see
>at depth 10.
>
>The brute force depth of chessmaster6000 is often not more than 4 at tournament
>time control.
>Chessmaster show 2 numbers and I understand that the first number is the brute
>force depth and the second number is the selective search depth.
>The default personality(tested by ssdf) has the parameter ss=6
>
>If I see numbers like 4/10 the meaning(if I understand right) is that it looks
>at everything at depth 4,almost everything at depth 10 and does also extensions
>after it.

That just means (to me) that they are not reporting the depth in plies but
something of their own measure.  I also think that there can be two ply
measures:

0.  Actual depth in plies for exhaustive search (less pruning, nullmove...)
1.  Speculative plies (capture extensions, check extensions, etc...)

If we have a clear indication for both of these measures then I think that
programs would agree on the results most of the time.  If someone has something
else and they call it a ply you cannot make any predictions because of that.




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