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Subject: Re: Test position and Crafty slow down

Author: Bernhard Bauer

Date: 01:45:53 11/10/99

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On November 10, 1999 at 04:07:49, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On November 10, 1999 at 03:37:47, Bernhard Bauer wrote:
>>On November 09, 1999 at 17:17:06, James Robertson wrote:
>[snip]
>>I gave this position to crafty and did a search Nd5. Here are the results for
>>crafty16.19 and crafty17.0.
>>
>>Crafty16.19
>>===========
>>
>>  12->  11.30  -0.07   1. Nd5 exd5 2. Bxf6 Bxf6 3. Qxh7+ Kf8
>>                       4. cxd5 d6 5. Bh5 Rc8 6. Nxf7 Nd7 7.
>>                       Ng5 Qc2 8. Ne6+ Ke7 9. Rd3 Qxa2 10.
>>                       Nxg7
>>  13    27.83   0.13   1. Nd5 exd5 2. Bxf6 Bxf6 3. Qxh7+ Kf8
>>                       4. cxd5 d6 5. Bh5 Rc8 6. Nxf7 a5 7.
>>                       Qf5 Ba6 8. Rc1 Qxc1 9. Rxc1 Rxc1+
>>  13->  27.83   0.13   1. Nd5 exd5 2. Bxf6 Bxf6 3. Qxh7+ Kf8
>>                       4. cxd5 d6 5. Bh5 Rc8 6. Nxf7 a5 7.
>>                       Qf5 Ba6 8. Rc1 Qxc1 9. Rxc1 Rxc1+
>>  14    44.83     ++   1. Nd5!!
>>  14->   1:18   0.52   1. Nd5 exd5 2. Bxf6 Bxf6 3. Qxh7+ Kf8
>>                       4. cxd5 d6 5. Bh5 Rc8 6. Nxf7 a5 7.
>>                       Qf5 Ba6 8. Rc1 Qxc1 9. Rxc1 Rxc1+
>>  15     2:12     ++   1. Nd5!!
>>  15->   8:59   0.91   1. Nd5 exd5 2. Bxf6 Bxf6 3. Qxh7+ Kf8
>>                       4. cxd5 d6 5. Bh5 Rc8 6. Nxf7 a5 7.
>>                       Qf5 Ba6 8. Rc1 Qxc1 9. Rxc1 Rxc1+
>> time=15:00  cpu=199%  mat=0  n=476806687  fh=96%  nps=529508
>> ext-> checks=46001900 recaps=737487 pawns=154520 1rep=5107499 thrt:139967
>> predicted=0  nodes=476806687  evals=31020644
>> endgame tablebase-> probes done=0  successful=0
>> SMP->  split=1274  stop=164  data=10/64  cpu=29:59  elap=15:00
>>
>>and
>>crafty17.0
>>==========
>>
>> 12->  15.23  -0.67   1. Nd5 exd5 2. Bxf6 Bxf6 3. Qxh7+ Kf8
>>                      4. cxd5 d6 5. Bh5 Rc8 6. Nxf7 Nd7 7.
>>                      Ng5 Qc2 8. Ne6+ Ke7 9. Rd3 Qxa2 10.
>>                      Nxg7
>> 13    30.92  -0.60   1. Nd5 exd5 2. Bxf6 Bxf6 3. Qxh7+ Kf8
>>                      4. cxd5 d6 5. Bh5 Rc8 6. Nxf7 a5 7.
>>                      Bg6 Qc5 8. e4 Nd7
>> 13->  30.92  -0.60   1. Nd5 exd5 2. Bxf6 Bxf6 3. Qxh7+ Kf8
>>                      4. cxd5 d6 5. Bh5 Rc8 6. Nxf7 a5 7.
>>                      Bg6 Qc5 8. e4 Nd7
>> 14    46.22     ++   1. Nd5!!
>> 14->   1:35  -0.21   1. Nd5 exd5 2. Bxf6 Bxf6 3. Qxh7+ Kf8
>>                      4. cxd5 d6 5. Bh5 Rc8 6. Nxf7 a5 7.
>>                      Bg6 Qc5 8. e4 Nd7
>> 15     3:43   0.00   1. Nd5 exd5 2. Bxf6 Bxf6 3. Qxh7+ Kf8
>>                      4. cxd5 d6 5. Bh5 Ke7 6. Nxf7 Rc8 7.
>>                      Qf5 Kf8 8. Qf4 Ke7 9. Qf5
>> 15->   3:43   0.00   1. Nd5 exd5 2. Bxf6 Bxf6 3. Qxh7+ Kf8
>>                      4. cxd5 d6 5. Bh5 Ke7 6. Nxf7 Rc8 7.
>>                      Qf5 Kf8 8. Qf4 Ke7 9. Qf5
>> 16    10:51   0.00   1. Nd5 exd5 2. Bxf6 Bxf6 3. Qxh7+ Kf8
>>                      4. cxd5 d6 5. Bh5 Bxg5 6. Qh8+ Ke7
>>                      7. Qxg7 Rf8 8. Qxg5+ Ke8 9. Rc1 Qd8
>>                      10. Qf5 Nd7 11. a3 Qf6
>> 16->  10:51   0.00   1. Nd5 exd5 2. Bxf6 Bxf6 3. Qxh7+ Kf8
>>                      4. cxd5 d6 5. Bh5 Bxg5 6. Qh8+ Ke7
>>                      7. Qxg7 Rf8 8. Qxg5+ Ke8 9. Rc1 Qd8
>>                      10. Qf5 Nd7 11. a3 Qf6
>>time=15:00  cpu=200%  mat=0  n=314623673  fh=93%  nps=349445
>>ext-> checks=16736788 recaps=643735 pawns=162104 1rep=1411877 thrt:97472
>>predicted=0  nodes=314623673  evals=206046602
>>endgame tablebase-> probes done=0  successful=0
>>hashing-> trans/ref=23%  pawn=2%  used=99%
>>SMP->  split=1349  stop=171  data=10/64  cpu=30:01  elap=15:00
>>
>>Comparing these results show:
>>
>>              Crafty16.19   Crafty17.0
>>score(15)         0.91          0.0
>>nps             529508       349445
>>
>>So for this position crafty16.19 looks much better than crafty17.0.
>>Crafty17.0 is 34% slower than crafty16.19, not to mention the evaluation.
>>BTW computation was done on a 2xPIII 450MHz computer running WinNT4.0.
>Actually, crafty 17.0 beat the pants off of 16.19.  It finished ply 15 at 3:43
>compared to 8:59 so it looks to be much more than twice as fast.  The nodes mean
>nothing compared to finishing a ply.

IMHO finishing a ply means nothing compared to finding the right continuation.
Please note that crafty16.19 gives a different line which looks mutch better.
So I wouldn't say "crafty 17.0 beat the pants off of 16.19". Such a statement
looks somewhat superficial.
Anyway, up to now there is no known reason why the new crafty is significantly
slower than 16.19. See the current discussion at the crafty mailing list.
Kind regards
Bernhard



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