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Subject: Re: help with position

Author: James Robertson

Date: 19:15:49 11/10/99

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On November 10, 1999 at 20:32:58, Will Singleton wrote:

>r2r2k1/pp3ppp/2n2b2/4p3/2N5/1PP2B2/1P3PPP/R2R2K1 b - -
>
>This position gives my program fits.  Some stronger progs solve it easily.  It
>appears to be a simple case of extending on captures, and then doing the qsearch
>right, which I apparently am not.
>
>Here's the main line which should be found:
>Rxd1 Rxd1 Rd8 Rxd8 Nxd8 Nd6 b6 Nc8 Bg5 Nxa7 Bc1 and gets the pawn back.
>
>It appears that you need 13 ply to see that the bishop can get the pawn back.
>Extending on a capture that brings material back to nominal, there are 2
>extensions in the above main line, so you now need 11 ply.  The qsearch reduces
>this to 10.  And that's what my program needs, 10 ply.  Seems too long.
>
>I would love to find this sooner without blowing up the tree.
>
>(from a game on ICC today, Postmodernist vs Amateur)

Here are Insomniac's thoughts, on my P233 4MB hash. It doesn't like the line you
give, instead thinking white should play Re1 instead of Rxd8. It does choose
your line briefly at ply 6, but scores it as bad for black....

James


Depth  Score     Time       Nodes  PV
 1      -3       50          89  Rxd1+ Rxd1
 2       7       50         298  Rxd1+ Rxd1 Rc8
 3     -10      220        3521  Rxd1+ Rxd1 Rd8 Re1 Re8 Bxc6 bxc6
 4     -26      270        7519  Rxd1+ Rxd1 Rd8 Rd6 Rc8 Rd7
 5>    -58      600       58625  Rab8 Rxd8+ Rxd8 Na5 Rb8 Nxc6 bxc6 Rxa7 Rxb3
 5>    -49      760       83021  a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Rxd8+ Rxd8 f3 Ra8 Kf2
 5     -49      870       96031  a6 Bxc6 bxc6 Rxd8+ Rxd8 f3 Ra8 Kf2
 6>   -113     1150      138477  Rxd1+ Rxd1 Rd8 Rxd8+ Nxd8 Nd6 b6 Nc8 Ne6 Nxa7
 6>    -45     1750      214380  Rab8 Re1 Rd7 Bxc6 bxc6 Nxe5 Bxe5 Rxe5 Rxb3
 6     -45     2360      298414  Rab8 Re1 Rd7 Bxc6 bxc6 Nxe5 Bxe5 Rxe5 Rxb3
 7     -64     4060      543668  Rab8 Rxd8+ Rxd8 b4 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 f3 Ra8 Kf2
 8>    -37     5930      809628  Rxd1+ Rxd1 Rd8 Re1 Re8 Nd6 Re7 Nxb7 Rxb7 Bxc6
Rxb3
 8     -37     6860      944892  Rxd1+ Rxd1 Rd8 Re1 Re8 Nd6 Re7 Nxb7 Rxb7 Bxc6
Rxb3
 9     -36    11700     1649846  Rxd1+ Rxd1 Rd8 Re1 Kf8 Be4 g6 f3 Re8 Bxc6 bxc6
Kf2
10     -45    22840     3183442  Rxd1+ Rxd1 Rd8 Re1 a6 Kf1 Rb8 Bxc6 bxc6 Nxe5
Rxb3 Nd3 Kf8
11     -55    51410     7233401  Rxd1+ Rxd1 Rd8 Re1 Kf8 b4 a6 Bxc6 bxc6 f3 Re8
Ra1 Ra8 Kf2
Check Extensions: 68625.
Recapture Extensions: 82190.
EGTB probes: 0, EGTB hits: 0




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