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Subject: Re: How about a computer tournament on ICC ?

Author: Ed Schröder

Date: 23:49:54 11/12/99

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>Posted by Bruce Moreland on November 12, 1999 at 22:22:30:
>
>In Reply to: How about a computer tournament on ICC ? posted by Peter
>Kappler on November 12, 1999 at 21:01:53:
>
>On November 12, 1999 at 21:01:53, Peter Kappler wrote:
>
>>
>>This idea came out of a discussion from a different thread, but I thought I'd
>>start fresh:
>>
>>Here's a question for all the programmers:  How many of you would play in an
>>online tourney at ICC, and what factors would influence your decision?

It's a wonderful idea, count me in.


>>For me it would be:
>>
>>number (and quality) of the participants
>>time control
>>number of rounds
>>
>>My personal preference would be to play at G/90, and to limit the number of
>>rounds so the event could be completed in a weekend.

My idea: make it a competition that goes on for years, if not forever.

G90 games are fine to me.

Problem: how many games to play (say) in a month. 2 is fine with me, more
games a month and I might pass. I guess this will be different for everybody.


>>I suspect that many of the programs from Will's "Green List" would show
>>up, but
>>I wonder if Crafty, Ferret, Diep, or any of the commercial programs would
>>play?
>>Nothing to gain, perhaps?  Maybe the ICC would sweeten the pot with a small
>>prize fund?  Perhaps if ICC promoted the event, the publicity would make
>>it more
>>interesting for the commercial programs.

Commercials will show up if the competition becomes well known.

I would be willing to promote such an event by my pages if the setup is good.
I am pretty sure the ICC will cooperate too if the whole thing has a future.


>>Would cheating be a concern?  I pretty much trust all the programmers, but do
>>others feel differently?

It's not only a matter of trust between the programmers. To make such a
competition a success and credible for everybody every form of possible
cheats should be covered.

An idea could be to take the conditions of the GM-challenge as a base and
perhaps improve it.

Bottom line: avoid postings implying possible cheats. If such postings have
a point you ruin a nice idea.


>>I'm interested in hearing everyone's opinion.  It's a shame that we have this
>>fantastic public arena for online chess that has never been used to stage a
>>formal computer chess event...
>>
>>--Peter
>
>I'd be willing to let my program play.  I can use the quad 450, a pentium pro
>200, or if I'm given enough advanced notice, a single processor 450.  I don't
>care which.
>
>A uniform event would be hard to arrange, but if I happen to have the right
>hardware, fine with me.  An unequal hardware event would be fine with me.
>I do not want an event where hardware is handicapped, that sucks.
>
>I would rather that the event be a serious event, one that receives some
>amount of promotion, rather than an ad-hoc event with zero spectators and
>participants who drop out after round 3 and want back in for round 7.

It should be a programmers competition IMO.

>I would like to use my automatic interface, but if that is not allowed I would
>be somewhat hesitant but would probably still participate.
>
>I would like there to be some rules set up beforehand, and I would like there
>either to be a competent tournament director, or to structure the event such
>that we don't need one.

We definitely need a tournament director.

Ed

>I don't want to deal with an event where programs are entered by people other
>than authors, I don't want to play against some kid's copy of Fritz.  If it
>is a manual tournament, I will be entering the moves for my program, and the guy
>entering moves on the other needs to have written the engine of the program
>that I'm playing against, either that or he needs to be evidently present.  To
>spend this kind of time is a hardship, and the hardship is mitigated if everyone is
>there together taking part.
>
>I would not be worried about cheating, but I would like the rules to be
>explicit so that people don't cheat by accident.
>
>bruce




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