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Subject: Re: Everyone please read carefull before you fly of the handle!

Author: odell hall

Date: 18:06:18 11/15/99

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On November 15, 1999 at 14:13:09, Christopher R. Dorr wrote:

>So let me get this straight....
>
>You write a post which is *quite* inflammatory, and unclear, accusing people who
>write chess programs of being criminals if they don't "share" their work (you
>were not explicit...using the word "sell" would have been much clearer), with a
>title that is guaranteed to attract attention, then you complain (in very foul
>language, in at least one post) that you are getting flamed for writing it?
>Somehow, because you write a poorly-worded, inflammatory post, you become the
>victim when people respond to it?
>
>I don't think so. I *have* read your original posting very carefully, and it is
>*certainly* unclear. Your use of the word "share" could *very easily* be
>misinterpreted by an intelligent person as meaning that you feel that their
>program should be given away. If you didn't mean that, then why not write "sell"
>? Your allusions to money clarify it somewhat, but not totally.
>
>You cast nasty criticisms on people who choose to to share or sell their work,
>which is a universally recognized right. The when you are criticized, you resort
>to a foul-mouthed four-letter response.
>
>To me, you are completely responsible for generating the negative responses that
>you did. You chose to post an inflammatory posting, with a title guaranteed to
>draw attention. You chose to use unclear language, and you chose to respond in a
>completely inappropriate manner when you were criticized. You made the mistakes.
>The very best thing you could do to attempt to repair the damage to your name
>(which you have greatly increase by your negative actions) would be to stop
>posting on this thread, apologize for being inappropriate, stop blasting the
>moderators, stop portraying yourself as a victim, and let this die down.
>
>If you will notice, I am not one of the people who responded to your initital
>post. I am fairly typical of many people on here (I believe), and I am appalled
>by your behaviour.
>
>Chris Dorr

>USCF Master



Ok chris explain to me why if my post was so unclear why the first three posters
who responded appeared to understand perfectly what I was saying, and gave
rather polite answers getting right to the heart of what I was asking,
Particulary David and bruce, who did not show even the slightest irritation with
my words. In retrospect, my post may have been provacative, but is this against
CCC rules? , Does it insult anyone?  The answer is no, Does it provoke thought
and debate the answer is yes!!.  I would count that as a very good post,
although it may have been politically incorrect.
I regrett my use of a four letter word, but I am only human, I notice you
mention abolutely nothing about the foul insulting, Humiliating words like "you
are a fool odell, you are insane, and all the others. Did you honestly think my
post deserved such condemnation? Is their any post you can find where I have
insulted or belittled anyone? Do I have a reputation in this club, to deserve
such malignant disrespect?  I notice you said nothing at all about all the
slanders against me, but now you feel compelled to attack me when I lose my cool
because I am under fire. I guess you think I deserved all the insults correct?
If my original post was unclear, don't you think the proper and rational
approach to the post would be to ask me to clarify myself instead of  the
barrage of abuse? I soppose in your I should have silently accept Abused
Verbally. Have you asked yourself how you would respond under the same
circumstances?  By the way I have recieved several private emails from people
apologizing for their harshness, although they did not post it here. I have also
had a programmer write to privately, expressions his disguest not with my post
but the reactions to it, and he gave me his personal reasons why he did not want
to sell his program.  This made me feel very good and showed me that there is
some fairness and rationality out there. Most people only read the title of my
post and did not take the time to read the complete context.  Yet somehow you
want to blame me for defending myself when I am attacked.  Yes I was wrong for
using the four letter word?
But did you read the post that I was responding too???  I guess it is ok for
people to insult me, but not ok for me to retaliate? I have come to see that my
post made some people with a guilty consiousness feel uncomfortable. If you want
me to apolize I would Like you to tell me specifically what in my post demands a
apology.





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