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Subject: Re: Examples for ChessTigers different evaluations...

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 06:17:04 11/18/99

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On November 18, 1999 at 09:09:24, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

Last 19 games of tol4511 against Moron, though i have to add a note
that a few of the games tol4511 forfeits is in a won or drawn position

aics% search moron tol4511
Your search found 93 games: [37 17 39 = (white win,draw,black win)]
   0  2625 Moron      2467 tol4511    1-0 [ sr 30   0] D47 Res 17-Nov-99
   1  2477 tol4511    2615 Moron      0-1 [ sr 30   0] B67 Res 17-Nov-99
   2  2604 Moron      2488 tol4511    1-0 [ sr 30   0] E42 Fla 17-Nov-99
   3  2518 tol4511    2531 Moron       =  [ sr 30   0] C29 Sta 16-Nov-99
   4  2532 Moron      2517 tol4511    0-1 [ sr 30   0] D11 Mat 16-Nov-99
   5  2499 tol4511    2550 Moron      0-1 [ sr 30   0] B66 Res 15-Nov-99
   6  2502 tol4511    2504 Moron      1-0 [ sr 30   0] B12 Mat 14-Nov-99
   7  2522 Moron      2484 tol4511    0-1 [ sr 30   0] C63 Mat 14-Nov-99
   8  2465 tol4511    2541 Moron      0-1 [ sr 30   0] D37 Fla 14-Nov-99
   9  2567 Moron      2479 tol4511    0-1 [ sr 30   0] D85 Mat 12-Nov-99
  10  2457 tol4511    2589 Moron      0-1 [ sr 30   0] D29 Res 12-Nov-99
  11  2578 Moron      2468 tol4511    0-1 [ sr 30   0] A00 Mat 12-Nov-99
  12  2581 Moron      2410 tol4511    0-1 [ sr 30   0] D07 Mat 09-Nov-99
  13  2408 tol4511    2588 Moron      0-1 [ sr 30   0] D25 Fla 06-Nov-99
  14  2579 Moron      2417 tol4511    1-0 [ sr 30   0] B01 Res 06-Nov-99
  15  2450 tol4511    2566 Moron      1-0 [ sr 30   0] B83 Mat 06-Nov-99
  16  2589 Moron      2427 tol4511    1-0 [ sr 30   0] C08 Fla 06-Nov-99
  17  2436 tol4511    2581 Moron      1-0 [ sr 30   0] E15 Mat 31-Oct-99
  18  2605 Moron      2412 tol4511    1-0 [ sr 30   0] D68 Res 31-Oct-99
  19  2420 tol4511    2597 Moron       =  [ sr 30   0] D37 Rep 31-Oct-99

Tol4511 plays at a pii450, so a lot faster than the hardware Christophe
advices. Also faster than K6-450




>On November 17, 1999 at 20:49:55, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>
>>I am playing a mail-chess game against an anonymous guy.
>>Here is the game:
>>
>>
>>
>>     Thorsten Czub - Rudi
>>
>>     1.d4 d5 2. e4 dxe4 3. Sc3 Sf6 4. f3 exf3 5. Dxf3 Dxd4
>>     6. Le3 Dh4+ 7. g3 Dg4 8. 0-0-0 Dxf3 9. Sxf3 c6
>>     {until here it was "book"}
>>     10. Lg2 Sbd7 11. The1 e6 12. Sd4 Lc5 13. Sa4 Lxd4
>>     14. Lxd4 0-0 15. b3 Te8 16. Sb2 Sb6 17. Sd3 Sfd5
>>     18. c4 Sf6 19. Lf3 Sfd7 20. Sf4 Kf8 21. Lb2 a5 22. La3+ Kg8
>>     23. c5 a4 24. cxb6 axb3 25. Kb2 bxa2 26. Kxa2 Sxb6
>>     27. Kb3 e5 28. Lc5 Sd7 29. Ld6 f6 30. Sd3 Sf8 31. Kb2 Le6
>>     32. Sc5 Ta2+ 33.. Kc1 Txh2 34. Te2 Txe2 35. Lxe2 Lc8
>>     36. Lc4+ Se6 37. Se4 Td8 38. Td3 b5 39. La2 Kf7 40. Ta3 f5
>>     41. Lc7 Th8 42. Sd6+ Kf6 43. Lb6 Tf8
>>     44. Ta7
>>
>>If you want we can let this game "replay" by several
>>chess programs, as an example, and relate the evaluations of the programs
>>to see that tiger has completely different score than any other.
>
>
>Sure hard to compare a what i call 'piece square table' program,
>plain stupid and dumb, searching however very deep (12 to 13 ply
>at dutch open at 90 0 level!) and seemingly long PV lines.
>
>Always putting pressure at near to static weak pawns in a position.
>
>Very consequent play, yet quite chanceless in the future. Should pay
>Jeroen more as his contribution is bigger!
>
>Someone at the internet claiming to use tiger (tol4511):
>
>tol4511 (2477) vs. Moron (2615) --- 1999.11.17 20:25:20
>Rated standard match, initial time: 30 minutes, increment: 0 seconds
>
>      chesstiger         diep
>Move  tol4511            Moron
>----  ----------------   ----------------
>  1.  e4       (0:16)    c5       (0:00)
>  2.  Nf3      (0:17)    Nc6      (0:00)
>  3.  d4       (0:07)    cxd4     (0:00)
>  4.  Nxd4     (0:07)    Nf6      (0:00)
>  5.  Nc3      (0:07)    d6       (0:00)
>  6.  Bg5      (0:07)    e6       (0:00)
>  7.  Qd2      (0:07)    a6       (0:00)
>  8.  O-O-O    (0:06)    Bd7      (0:00)
>  9.  f4       (0:08)    b5       (0:00)
> 10.  Nxc6     (0:08)    Bxc6     (0:00)
> 11.  Bxf6     (0:07)    Qxf6     (1:40)
> 12.  h4       (1:16)    b4       (0:59)
> 13.  Ne2      (0:49)    a5       (0:06)
> 14.  Nd4      (1:22)    Bxe4     (0:00)
> 15.  Qe3      (1:11)    d5       (0:57)
> 16.  Bb5+     (0:50)    Kd8      (0:00)
>
>Here DIEP evaluated the position as 0.10,
>getting about a 9 ply search or something.
>
>Expecting Rhe1, i am not happy about the
>position here, though probably only deep
>analysis can give us insight!
>
> 17.  Nc6+     (1:15)    Kc7      (0:55)
>
>Patzer sees check. Score jumpe directly up to about
>a pawn up here.
>
> 18.  Rhf1     (0:26)    a4       (1:07)
>
>Rhf1 caused the score to jump up again.
>
> 19.  Ne5      (0:45)    a3       (0:00)
> 20.  b3       (0:58)    Bxg2     (0:40)
> 21.  Rg1      (0:39)    Be4      (0:39)
> 22.  Rg5      (0:09)    h6       (0:38)
> 23.  Rgg1     (0:49)    Ra5      (0:37)
> 24.  c4       (0:36)    Bd6      (0:16)
> 25.  Rdf1     (0:26)    g6       (0:00)
> 26.  Kd1      (0:53)    Rc8      (0:36)
> 27.  Qd4      (0:48)    Kb7      (0:35)
> 28.  Bd7      (1:31)    Rc7      (0:34)
> 29.  Qd2      (1:01)    Bc5      (0:00)
> 30.  h5       (1:27)    Bxg1     (0:33)
> 31.  Rxg1     (0:11)    Qe7      (0:20)
> 32.  hxg6     (0:28)    fxg6     (0:02)
> 33.  Bb5      (0:46)    g5       (0:00)
> 34.  Rg4      (1:09)    Qc5      (0:43)
> 35.  fxg5     (0:09)    h5       (0:19)
> 36.  Rg3      (0:38)    dxc4     (0:06)
> 37.  Nxc4     (1:27)    Rxb5     (0:00)
>       {White resigns} 0-1
>
>White didn't have much weak points to aim the
>guns at this game.
>
>
>>For the beginning i would like YOU to replay whites moves with your
>>famous chess programs and to post the evaluation right behind
>>the white moves, say after let white compute 10 minutes on a fast
>>pc for each move.
>>
>>After we have some other programs i can present tigers score for each position
>>with white to move and we can altogether confirm: tiger evaluates different
>>than other programs.
>>
>>Now you can guess WHY or ask Christophe :-))) and i hope he will not
>>really tell you.
>>because somehow it seems to be the secret of its playing strength :-))



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