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Subject: Re: DeepBlue self-play games?

Author: Tina Long

Date: 19:06:31 11/18/99

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On November 18, 1999 at 21:35:53, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On November 18, 1999 at 19:24:59, ShaktiFire wrote:
>
>>Those bitches at IBM, supposedly doing a scientific endeavor, never release
>>any info about what they have learned, not even in scientific type publications,
>>no evals, no ideas on how they beat Kasparov.  They have become whores of
>>capitalism,,, looking for the buck,,, not the growth of knowledge.
>
>IBM did more for computer chess than anyone else since the 1970's by that one
>single tournament.  People are still talking about it today [see this thread?]
>
>I will go so far as to say that the Deep Blue/Kasparov matches were the most
>entertaining thing in all of chess in the last one hundred years. [IMO --
>obviously].  I suspect that more chess interest was generated by this single set
>of two events than by all other chess happenings combined.

I agree with everything Dann says up to here.  I also fully agree with Pete in
the Post below.  And as I'm in agreement, and have nothing to add I was not
going to post, then....

>
>We should be down on our knees, kissing their rich, corporate boots for the good
>that they have done for us.

Before or after you are spanked?

>
>Now, as for not sharing -- that's their perogative.  IBM is a company, and you
>are right -- their decisions will be controlled by money.  If you owned a
>corporation, I suspect your bottom line would effect what information you kept
>and released as well.
>
>As far as your assertions about not sharing -- that is obviously false as the
>papers published by Hsu and Campbell over the years have shown.  Finally, there
>is a book being written on the topic (as has already been discussed in this very
>forum -- were you paying attention?) which will certainly add to our
>information.
>
>Even if they never uttered a syllable and just kept Deep Blue as a black box so
>that we had no idea at all about how it worked, we should be deeply grateful.
>
>It is easy to aim barbs at huge corporations and call them the evil empire.  In
>this case, I think you are miles off target.

Hear Hear,
>IMO-YMMV.

I get IMO in my opinion, but what's YMMV?  The best I can cum up with is:
Yummy Mumble Mumble Veducci
(Veducci - expensive shoes, possibly worn by corporate moguls)

Behave Dann!



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