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Subject: Re: DeepBlue self-play games?

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 19:25:49 11/18/99

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On November 18, 1999 at 22:06:31, Tina Long wrote:
>On November 18, 1999 at 21:35:53, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>On November 18, 1999 at 19:24:59, ShaktiFire wrote:
>>
>>>Those bitches at IBM, supposedly doing a scientific endeavor, never release
>>>any info about what they have learned, not even in scientific type publications,
>>>no evals, no ideas on how they beat Kasparov.  They have become whores of
>>>capitalism,,, looking for the buck,,, not the growth of knowledge.
>>
>>IBM did more for computer chess than anyone else since the 1970's by that one
>>single tournament.  People are still talking about it today [see this thread?]
>>
>>I will go so far as to say that the Deep Blue/Kasparov matches were the most
>>entertaining thing in all of chess in the last one hundred years. [IMO --
>>obviously].  I suspect that more chess interest was generated by this single set
>>of two events than by all other chess happenings combined.
>
>I agree with everything Dann says up to here.  I also fully agree with Pete in
>the Post below.  And as I'm in agreement, and have nothing to add I was not
>going to post, then....
>
>>
>>We should be down on our knees, kissing their rich, corporate boots for the good
>>that they have done for us.
>
>Before or after you are spanked?
>
>>
>>Now, as for not sharing -- that's their perogative.  IBM is a company, and you
>>are right -- their decisions will be controlled by money.  If you owned a
>>corporation, I suspect your bottom line would effect what information you kept
>>and released as well.
>>
>>As far as your assertions about not sharing -- that is obviously false as the
>>papers published by Hsu and Campbell over the years have shown.  Finally, there
>>is a book being written on the topic (as has already been discussed in this very
>>forum -- were you paying attention?) which will certainly add to our
>>information.
>>
>>Even if they never uttered a syllable and just kept Deep Blue as a black box so
>>that we had no idea at all about how it worked, we should be deeply grateful.
>>
>>It is easy to aim barbs at huge corporations and call them the evil empire.  In
>>this case, I think you are miles off target.
>
>Hear Hear,
>>IMO-YMMV.
>
>I get IMO in my opinion, but what's YMMV?  The best I can cum up with is:
>Yummy Mumble Mumble Veducci
http://www.utopiasw.demon.co.uk/acronyms.htm
Your mileage may vary.
It could also mean whatever else you like.  I have my own invention also:
[FCOL] For Crying Out Loud (but people often imagine it is something much more
colorful)

>(Veducci - expensive shoes, possibly worn by corporate moguls)
>
>Behave Dann!
My CCC moderator platform says I don't have to.



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