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Subject: Re: DeepBlue self-play games?

Author: Dave Gomboc

Date: 23:35:53 11/18/99

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On November 18, 1999 at 21:35:53, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On November 18, 1999 at 19:24:59, ShaktiFire wrote:
>
>>Those bitches at IBM, supposedly doing a scientific endeavor, never release
>>any info about what they have learned, not even in scientific type publications,
>>no evals, no ideas on how they beat Kasparov.  They have become whores of
>>capitalism,,, looking for the buck,,, not the growth of knowledge.
>
>IBM did more for computer chess than anyone else since the 1970's by that one
>single tournament.  People are still talking about it today [see this thread?]
>
>I will go so far as to say that the Deep Blue/Kasparov matches were the most
>entertaining thing in all of chess in the last one hundred years. [IMO --
>obviously].  I suspect that more chess interest was generated by this single set
>of two events than by all other chess happenings combined.
>
>We should be down on our knees, kissing their rich, corporate boots for the good
>that they have done for us.
>
>Now, as for not sharing -- that's their perogative.  IBM is a company, and you
>are right -- their decisions will be controlled by money.  If you owned a
>corporation, I suspect your bottom line would effect what information you kept
>and released as well.
>
>As far as your assertions about not sharing -- that is obviously false as the
>papers published by Hsu and Campbell over the years have shown.  Finally, there
>is a book being written on the topic (as has already been discussed in this very
>forum -- were you paying attention?) which will certainly add to our
>information.

I think that the papers they have published recently could use some beefing up
on the detail.  I suspect that non-disclosure agreements keep this from
happening.

I guess that Hsu's book will be interesting, but I expect virtually nothing from
it in terms of technical content.  Jonathan Schaeffer's "One Jump Ahead:
Challenging Human Supremacy in Checkers" was a very entertaining read for me,
but it's not what I'd read to find technical details on what he and his team
did.

Dave



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