Author: Wayne Lowrance
Date: 09:32:24 11/20/99
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On November 20, 1999 at 02:42:03, blass uri wrote: >On November 20, 1999 at 00:37:32, Wayne Lowrance wrote: > > ><snipped> >>At the moment, for me, the only gauge is SSDF. Its results seem to stand up >>preety good. SSDF has said for a few years now that Fritz was the strongest >>program > >The ssdf did not say it because they did not test all the programs. >The ssdf is saying now that chessmaster6000 has better rating than Fritz on the >same hardware and that tiger has clearly better performance than Fritz. > > >Uri No sir, I have had Fritz now for a number of years, it is in that time frame that i was making reference too. If you recall the controversy made over this and many many post with complaints. Have I missed a ssdf post ? where chessmasater6000 is better than fritz on current state of the art computers ? slow pentiums, yes. I have chessmaster 6000, it is a fine program and in fact It is a better program at blitz 10 min than Fritzy and Hiarcs, this I have verified with identical hardware. At the moment that honor goes to Hiarcs and Fritz5.32 of the programs i have, Hiarcs best, then Fritz. I have Nimzo99, Junior5, Crafty17.1,cm6000 (and all the rest of CM's) and many more enginess. I do not know where I would rate the rest of these programs behinds Hiarcs and Fritz, but they are behind those two and Crafty17.1 for the short time i have had it probobly is around 3rd, with a better book than the one I downloaded maybe higher yet. Well I understand that this site is not meant for us users. It is a site for chess programmars and technical people involved in the art of chess programming. I think it is great, I really do. Also I understand that tournaments like Patterborn are a chance for the chess Authors to compete and demonstrate there program to there peers. I am keenly interested in the results and My silent congratulations goes out to all of them for there exhasting effort. However but It is, as I said, not a good measuring stick for us users to determine order of chess prowess. Example: I will wager that had Dr. Hyatt and his best crafty version entered patterborn with his quad Xeons that result would have been different, with crafty number one. Hummmmmm, wish he could have gotten away from his teaching responsibility. Maybe it will happen in the now planned ICC tourrnament ! The point of the example is, I already know for me and my hardware, 400 Mhz pentium 256 meg ram etc. Crafty would not rank number 1 but in blitz, I do not agree that all of the top programs are "generic" with respect to there playing strength. I and countless numbers of folks who enjoy playing chess programs against either other as a hobby can tell you the order in ranking at for example 5 min blitz, zero increment on a well known chess server. Do you all realize that (In my judgement) the vast majority of the purchers of chess programs do so for the enjoyment of playing the program against other programs ?. Go to various chess sites like yahoo, Zone, Chessed etc. and monitor the games (these are the majority of the global buyers of chess programs). Spend a little time there each night monitoring paramaters such as: a) depth of book being played b) Time expanded on each move c) The time Rythm of each move made e) The depth of tactics made in light of time expanded making the move. Ie: a complicated look ahead combination with or without a sac with the move made in 1 to 3 seconds. f) The honest players have ratings well below 2000 which is a grey area. I know players, very very few whose rating is 2000 +/- who are non program users. in a) above, I tell you that nearly every game I play on server my opponents book is the same depth +/- as my programs, that percentage is at least 90 % and maybe more if I were to keep a record. I have played well over a thousand games since I found this interest ! It is true, think of it, the average person cannot beat the programs of yesterday, let alone the current bunch of busters. Thanks for your response Wayne
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