Author: Tina Long
Date: 21:19:13 11/20/99
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On November 21, 1999 at 00:00:57, Christophe Theron wrote:
>On November 20, 1999 at 18:47:28, Tina Long wrote:
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>>Christophe,
>>I think we accept that Tiger is very very very good in Computer v Computer.
>>Are there any plans to formally test it against Humans, in the style of the
>>Rebel Challenge?
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>We have no such plans sofar, but it does not mean we are not going to do it.
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>>Ed said on his pages as much as a year ago that Tiger was better at Com. v Com.
>>than Rebel. I felt the implication was that Tiger may not be so strong in Human
>>games.
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>But this is not what is written, I think you'll agree. It just happens that
>Tiger is very strong against computers, without having specifically been
>designed to do so.
Aah, this ("without hav...") clarifies for me, I sort of thought that was your
goal, now I see your comp-comp success is actually a very good indicator.
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>I don't have many tournamanent games against humans.
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>Tiger 12.0 won a simultaneous game against Joel Lautier (2638 FIDE) recently.
Nice for you, bad luck Joel!
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>Apart from that the rest is maybe not very significant:
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>Tiger 11.8 won a tournament here in April. The players were not very strong, but
>Tiger did a 2200 elo performance against humans on a 386sx 20MHz (this point is
>important I think).
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>Also last year Tiger 11.5 played a 21 games match against a player that is rated
>about 2000 elo FIDE. The computer used was a K5-100MHz (equivalent to P200), and
>time controls were game in 30. Tiger 11.5 won 18.5-1.5.
These Carbon results are very good & not insignificant, when all we'd heard was
Tiger's bashing of Silicon.
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>>I feel the opposite about Hiarcs (but it is only a feeling), that it would
>>outperform some top programs in matches against humans, where it (more or less)
>>equals them in com v com.
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>>What Human testing have done, & do you intend.
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>>Also,
>>Rebel-Tiger is a stand alone product. Will it also be an engine for
>>Rebel-Windows?
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>I don't know, but I guess it will be. Rebel for Windows and Rebel-Tiger will use
>the same user interface, it will be easy to add the Tiger engine to Rebel for
>Windows.
Ha, so I might not buy Rebel-windows until Ed claims major engine advantage over
RebelCentury. This gets better all the time (I don't have to buy CM7k, I don't
have to buy Fritz6, Genius costs too much, now I don't have to buy RebWin yet)
Tigress is now top of my shopping list.
waiting waiting
Tina Long
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>>I think I've said it before, but Congratulations on the culmination of your many
>>years of work. I hope you get lots of money (including a small lump of mine)
>>from this to make life easy for you.
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>I don't get a lot of money, so your personal contribution will be welcome. Just
>to give you an idea, I have two other jobs at this time.
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>But if people like you contribute, and if the number is enough, I'll maybe be
>able to drop one of my two additional jobs and spend more time on Chess Tiger.
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>So far, what helps me the most are your kind words. I want to thank you for
>this.
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> Christophe
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